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[email protected] wrote:
At 11:53 AM 5/31/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I am sorry if I am upsetting you. I must preach the truth. To do otherwise would be unloving/unGodly.
Jesus was born of Mary, a sinner like her parents before her, all the way back to David, Abraham and Adam. Likewise, Jesus was born in a sinful body, however, He was God , almighty God, living within that Body and having the very nature of God, He has never sinned and did not sin while in that body. His death on the cross brought to bear the righteous judgment of God for sin in the flesh. He destroyed the penalty of sin, which is death.
Here is a scripture to help explain what He did.....
Rom 8:3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God [did] by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
Our. Works cannot pay for the sins we have committed. Sure we can do good, but the penalty for the sins remain, which is death.
He took that penalty so we could live!
Dear Khalilur,
I am sorry if I am upsetting you. I must preach the truth. To do otherwise would be unloving/unGodly.
Jesus was born of Mary, a sinner like her parents before her, all the way back to David, Abraham and Adam. Likewise, Jesus was born in a sinful body, however, He was God , almighty God, living within that Body and having the very nature of God, He has never sinned and did not sin while in that body. His death on the cross brought to bear the righteous judgment of God for sin in the flesh. He destroyed the penalty of sin, which is death.
Here is a scripture to help explain what He did.....
Rom 8:3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God [did] by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
Our. Works cannot pay for the sins we have committed. Sure we can do good, but the penalty for the sins remain, which is death.
He took that penalty so we could live!
KHALILUR RAHMAN
What I understand from your this letter that Jesus was born in a body of a sinner, he was carrying sinful seed of Abraham & Adam; yet he did not commit any sin because God was living within him. He was innocent till his crucifixion. It means a man can remain innocent if he does not commit any sin. It also proves that all the infant babies are innocent because they cannot commit any sin. Do you agree to this point?
Jesus also said that the young children are innocent. A man has to be innocent like children to enter the kingdom of God. Please read Luke 18:16-17 , Jesus told them-"Do not stop these children to come to me. Because, the kingdom of God is for the people who are like these children"
There is no proof that God was living inside Jesus from his birth. Jesus received Holy Spirit only when he was baptized by John at the age of 30. If we consider Holy Spirit, John is in better position than Jesus. John received Holy Spirit when he was in the womb of his mother. Luke 1:15-16 says-" John was full with Holy Spirit when he was in the womb of his mother ". And John never committed any sin during his life time. He was innocent in total. He was so innocent that he was ordered by God to baptize Jesus. This innocent Prophet was also killed by the conspiracy of Jews. Now tell me, did John shed his innocent blood to pay for the sin of others?
Another question arises at this point .If Jesus is a God, why he had to be baptized by a man to become purified. Can you imagine a man is baptizing his God?
Jesus also said that the young children are innocent. A man has to be innocent like children to enter the kingdom of God. Please read Luke 18:16-17 , Jesus told them-"Do not stop these children to come to me. Because, the kingdom of God is for the people who are like these children"
There is no proof that God was living inside Jesus from his birth. Jesus received Holy Spirit only when he was baptized by John at the age of 30. If we consider Holy Spirit, John is in better position than Jesus. John received Holy Spirit when he was in the womb of his mother. Luke 1:15-16 says-" John was full with Holy Spirit when he was in the womb of his mother ". And John never committed any sin during his life time. He was innocent in total. He was so innocent that he was ordered by God to baptize Jesus. This innocent Prophet was also killed by the conspiracy of Jews. Now tell me, did John shed his innocent blood to pay for the sin of others?
Another question arises at this point .If Jesus is a God, why he had to be baptized by a man to become purified. Can you imagine a man is baptizing his God?
[email protected] wrote:
At 10:47 AM 6/1/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
1. Yes, the Holy Spirit is and always has been. But this does not mean that Jesus was not speaking of the Holy Spirit when He promised that He would send Him.
I know this runs contrary to your fundamental beliefs, but the truth is important.
You incorrectly say that the only word that Jesus used for the Holy Spirit was the word translated comforter. He said He would send another comforter, and that comforter is THE SPIRIT of truth. The word He used for Spirit is pneuma in the Greek .... Here is the actual verse.......
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
The Spirit of truth is the Spirit of God, not a prophet. Jesus sent His Holy Spirit. If you really want to know the truth about what Jesus said and did, you must read the Bible. It is God's word about Him.
Dear Khalilur,
1. Yes, the Holy Spirit is and always has been. But this does not mean that Jesus was not speaking of the Holy Spirit when He promised that He would send Him.
I know this runs contrary to your fundamental beliefs, but the truth is important.
You incorrectly say that the only word that Jesus used for the Holy Spirit was the word translated comforter. He said He would send another comforter, and that comforter is THE SPIRIT of truth. The word He used for Spirit is pneuma in the Greek .... Here is the actual verse.......
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
The Spirit of truth is the Spirit of God, not a prophet. Jesus sent His Holy Spirit. If you really want to know the truth about what Jesus said and did, you must read the Bible. It is God's word about Him.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Why you are telling me that read Bible. Did I give you any quotation from outside Bible? All I tell you, they are from your Bible. Do you know why you had to try very hard to explain something to me? Because , you are trying to establish something which is not true.. So far, you tried to tell me that Jesus promised to send Holy Spirit to his disciple after going up to God. When I showed you that Disciples of Jesus already had Holy Spirit before Jesus up,
you are now telling me that it is not Holy Spirit but Spirit of Truth.
Do you know what is Spirit of Truth. All the Prophets are the Spirit of Truth from God. They are sent by God & whatever they say, it is truth, nothing but the truth, Abraham was the Spirit of Truth during his time, Moses was the Sprit of Truth during his time, Jesus also the Spirit of Truth during his time.
After Jesus arrives in this world for 2nd time, another man will be sent to assist him. He is also named as "Faithful & Truth". He also carries the Spirit of Truth (Rev 19:11-21).
So, now it is clear that Jesus promised to ask God to send a man with Spirit of Truth who will work as the Helper, Comforter, Counselor & Advocate & he will perform all the activities mentioned in John 14, 15 & 16
you are now telling me that it is not Holy Spirit but Spirit of Truth.
Do you know what is Spirit of Truth. All the Prophets are the Spirit of Truth from God. They are sent by God & whatever they say, it is truth, nothing but the truth, Abraham was the Spirit of Truth during his time, Moses was the Sprit of Truth during his time, Jesus also the Spirit of Truth during his time.
After Jesus arrives in this world for 2nd time, another man will be sent to assist him. He is also named as "Faithful & Truth". He also carries the Spirit of Truth (Rev 19:11-21).
So, now it is clear that Jesus promised to ask God to send a man with Spirit of Truth who will work as the Helper, Comforter, Counselor & Advocate & he will perform all the activities mentioned in John 14, 15 & 16
[email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I have appreciated getting to know you and hope we can continue to converse in the future.
For now, it is apparent to me that you do not wish to honestly assess or research the things I say, but simply wish to preach what your religion teaches about the Bible and Jesus, so let's take a break for a while and seek God and allow Him to teach us both.
I have answered each of ( or at least most of) your questions succinctly and specifically from the Bible, and not of my own opinion, yet you seem to ignore the scriptures I send, so it seems that we are at an impasse intellectually.
What do you think? Are you open to hearing what the Bible says?
I have appreciated getting to know you and hope we can continue to converse in the future.
For now, it is apparent to me that you do not wish to honestly assess or research the things I say, but simply wish to preach what your religion teaches about the Bible and Jesus, so let's take a break for a while and seek God and allow Him to teach us both.
I have answered each of ( or at least most of) your questions succinctly and specifically from the Bible, and not of my own opinion, yet you seem to ignore the scriptures I send, so it seems that we are at an impasse intellectually.
What do you think? Are you open to hearing what the Bible says?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I think you are already exhausted & tired of my queries. But you must understand that I am from another religion. If I get support from your Bible in favour of my concept, why I should not avail it. As an expert of Bible, your duty is to explain it further if you do not accept my concept. I never quoted from outside Bible. It is all from your book. I feel the New Testament is very abstract & rhetoric in its statement. It is very confusing also to a common reader. That is the reason, Paul & his colleagues had to write additional 23 books to explain 4 books of Gospel. It becomes difficult for you also to explain something to me. Old Testament is much more clear & straight forward. There is no ambiguity in its language.
Can you use only old Testament to establish your concept ? Can you prove that Jesus is God or Holy Spirit is God by using Old Testament? Then it will be easy for me to understand.
Very often you are asking me, are you born again? I do not understand what is born again. Can you please explain what you mean exactly. Unless I understand your question, my reply can not satisfy you.
Can you use only old Testament to establish your concept ? Can you prove that Jesus is God or Holy Spirit is God by using Old Testament? Then it will be easy for me to understand.
Very often you are asking me, are you born again? I do not understand what is born again. Can you please explain what you mean exactly. Unless I understand your question, my reply can not satisfy you.
[email protected] wrote:
At 06:45 AM 6/4/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
It's not that I weary at your inquiries, it's that you ignore my responses and simple write back a different line of thought, so it seems like you're actually sincere in your questions, but maybe I misjudged you, I apologize!
You wish for me to show you Jesus from the Old Testament. No problem. Although, I have my doubts that you are seriously going to consider anything I write.
So, before I start on this very long endeavor, I must ask you a few questions about Islam.
1: In the US, many people are concerned that the teachings of your Prophet, when adhered to strictly, lead to acts of violence against others. Not because you are bad people, but because (in our experience) your religion demands that anyone who does not submit to God must be killed. Now, don't get me wrong, that's pretty much in Christianity too, but the difference is this: the One who does the killing is God and He will not do it until He returns, but in our view of Islam (again, as we see it here in the United States), Muslims MUST take vengeance on those who defame the name of Allah or his prophet and it is OK for you to lie to further your cause, since it is deemed most holy. Are these things true?
2: Are you Sunni or Shia?
What country do you live in and were you born into Islam or did you convert?
Dear Khalilur,
It's not that I weary at your inquiries, it's that you ignore my responses and simple write back a different line of thought, so it seems like you're actually sincere in your questions, but maybe I misjudged you, I apologize!
You wish for me to show you Jesus from the Old Testament. No problem. Although, I have my doubts that you are seriously going to consider anything I write.
So, before I start on this very long endeavor, I must ask you a few questions about Islam.
1: In the US, many people are concerned that the teachings of your Prophet, when adhered to strictly, lead to acts of violence against others. Not because you are bad people, but because (in our experience) your religion demands that anyone who does not submit to God must be killed. Now, don't get me wrong, that's pretty much in Christianity too, but the difference is this: the One who does the killing is God and He will not do it until He returns, but in our view of Islam (again, as we see it here in the United States), Muslims MUST take vengeance on those who defame the name of Allah or his prophet and it is OK for you to lie to further your cause, since it is deemed most holy. Are these things true?
2: Are you Sunni or Shia?
What country do you live in and were you born into Islam or did you convert?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Thanks that you have started communication again.. Let me first give you my personal status. I live in Bangladesh, a born Muslim, Sunni. Although I am a Muslim, almost all the Hindu Scriptures are in my memory. I don't want to say anything about Bible, that you will judge whether I am quoting correctly from Bible or not. So, I have three religions at my disposal from where I can take references. They are Islam, Hindu & Christian.
What you have heard about Islam is not correct. Islam says- Laaikrahafiddin- There is no compulsion in religion. It again says- Lakumdinukumwaliadin- Your religion is for you & my religion is for me. So, you can see that Islam is very liberal. Terrorism is not allowed in Islam at all. Battle of Islam also is regulated by so many Do's & Don't Do's. Indiscriminate killing & destroying of crops & properties are not allowed. If you find some specific verse which needs clarifications, you may ask me. We will discuss on those points. Islam is the continuation of religion of Abraham. So, you will find that it is the up-dated version of Judaism, but suitable for the people of whole world.
To tell lie in Islam is not allowed at all. It is a great sin. You cannot tell lie or take fraudulent action to propagate religion also. Islam is so clear & transparent that you do not need any lie.
What you have heard about Islam is not correct. Islam says- Laaikrahafiddin- There is no compulsion in religion. It again says- Lakumdinukumwaliadin- Your religion is for you & my religion is for me. So, you can see that Islam is very liberal. Terrorism is not allowed in Islam at all. Battle of Islam also is regulated by so many Do's & Don't Do's. Indiscriminate killing & destroying of crops & properties are not allowed. If you find some specific verse which needs clarifications, you may ask me. We will discuss on those points. Islam is the continuation of religion of Abraham. So, you will find that it is the up-dated version of Judaism, but suitable for the people of whole world.
To tell lie in Islam is not allowed at all. It is a great sin. You cannot tell lie or take fraudulent action to propagate religion also. Islam is so clear & transparent that you do not need any lie.
[email protected] wrote:
7:03 AM 6/4/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You asked me to tell you exactly what Born Again means.....
When Adam and Eve sinned, they died just as God warned them they would. The did not die physically right away, but their eyes were opened and they saw that they were naked.
This opening of their eyes was the Spiritual Death that all people are born with now.
Jesus said, you MUST be born again in order to see the kingdom of God/Heaven.
To be born again means that the Spirit of God Himself comes into your being you receive new life.You literally become a NEW creature! You are now born of the Spirit of God.
So, to recap: The be born again, means that God Himself has taken up residence within your heart and you are now a new type of being. You are no longer born just of the seed of Adam, but now of God!
Dear Khalilur,
You asked me to tell you exactly what Born Again means.....
When Adam and Eve sinned, they died just as God warned them they would. The did not die physically right away, but their eyes were opened and they saw that they were naked.
This opening of their eyes was the Spiritual Death that all people are born with now.
Jesus said, you MUST be born again in order to see the kingdom of God/Heaven.
To be born again means that the Spirit of God Himself comes into your being you receive new life.You literally become a NEW creature! You are now born of the Spirit of God.
So, to recap: The be born again, means that God Himself has taken up residence within your heart and you are now a new type of being. You are no longer born just of the seed of Adam, but now of God!