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KHALILUR RAHMAN
I have again read Isaiah today. These are the visions saw by Isaiah regarding Judah & Jerusalem during the times of kings Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz& Hezekiah ( Isa 1:1).. It does not have any relation with Jesus. It will be more clear about this son you are talking about when you read the next verse of Isa 7:15. It says- " By the time the child is 12 years old, able to make moral decision, the threat of war will be over. Relax, those two kings that have you so worried will be out of picture." Jesus was never known at the age of 12. His identity was disclosed at the age of 30. Neither those two kings were present during the time of Jesus. So it is not Jesus. Your interpretation is very wrong.
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At 09:04 AM 6/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You asked if Adam, Moses, etc. did not go to heaven because they had not been born again..
What you need to understand is the depth of the depravity of man when compared to The One and Only Holy God Almighty and the true nature of the redemption offered by Christ on the cross.
Psa 14:2The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. 14:3They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; [There is] none who does good, No, not one.
Just as you believe, man is responsible for their sins. The soul that sins, shall die. And since ALL have sinned, all must die.
God said to Adam and Eve that they may eat of all the fruit of the garden, except the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden he said that SURELY in the day that you eat of it, you will die.
When Jesus died on the cross, He took upon Himself the Penalty for the sin of Adam and for all of our sins as well. And when He died, He descended into the place of the dead and He released those people of faith who were unable to enter Heaven because of the sin of Adam, and "took captivity, captive" and lead them into heaven.
So, Adam, Moses, Abraham, Enoch, all who practiced righteousness were saved, but not by the good works they did, per se, but by the finished work of the cross. While it is true that their good works did secure them a place inAbrahamsbosom, there was no way their goodness could wash away the stain of sin that they bore.
So, those before Christ were saved (delivered from death and passed onto life) by the death and resurrection of Christ, just as we are today.
Anyone who thinks that by keeping the law of God and/or by following His prophets that they will find favor in His sight on the day of judgment is sadly mistaken.
He said that TODAY is the day of salvation. The day of judgment is just that...judgment. It is not a time to be saved. It is the time to be judged according to your works, and remember, your works cannot pay the price for sin.
No, in fact the very works that you point to as the basis for your salvation will actually prove that you knew what was right to do, and that while you KNOW that you were unable to keep all of Gods laws, you clung to trying to keep those commands as they way you could be saved instead of bowing before Gods righteous judgment poured out on His Holy and beloved Son Jesus.
Dear Khalilur,
You asked if Adam, Moses, etc. did not go to heaven because they had not been born again..
What you need to understand is the depth of the depravity of man when compared to The One and Only Holy God Almighty and the true nature of the redemption offered by Christ on the cross.
Psa 14:2The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. 14:3They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; [There is] none who does good, No, not one.
Just as you believe, man is responsible for their sins. The soul that sins, shall die. And since ALL have sinned, all must die.
God said to Adam and Eve that they may eat of all the fruit of the garden, except the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden he said that SURELY in the day that you eat of it, you will die.
When Jesus died on the cross, He took upon Himself the Penalty for the sin of Adam and for all of our sins as well. And when He died, He descended into the place of the dead and He released those people of faith who were unable to enter Heaven because of the sin of Adam, and "took captivity, captive" and lead them into heaven.
So, Adam, Moses, Abraham, Enoch, all who practiced righteousness were saved, but not by the good works they did, per se, but by the finished work of the cross. While it is true that their good works did secure them a place inAbrahamsbosom, there was no way their goodness could wash away the stain of sin that they bore.
So, those before Christ were saved (delivered from death and passed onto life) by the death and resurrection of Christ, just as we are today.
Anyone who thinks that by keeping the law of God and/or by following His prophets that they will find favor in His sight on the day of judgment is sadly mistaken.
He said that TODAY is the day of salvation. The day of judgment is just that...judgment. It is not a time to be saved. It is the time to be judged according to your works, and remember, your works cannot pay the price for sin.
No, in fact the very works that you point to as the basis for your salvation will actually prove that you knew what was right to do, and that while you KNOW that you were unable to keep all of Gods laws, you clung to trying to keep those commands as they way you could be saved instead of bowing before Gods righteous judgment poured out on His Holy and beloved Son Jesus.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
What was my questions & what is your reply? I asked very specifically whether according to your opinion, do you mean that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses & David did not get Salvation & they will not go to heaven to stay with God? You please study your Bible & give me your final decision about them.
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At 09:16 AM 6/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Well, it seems we are at an impasse. I believe your religion is not of God and you believe my religion is not of God. Can we both be correct?
Dear Khalilur,
Well, it seems we are at an impasse. I believe your religion is not of God and you believe my religion is not of God. Can we both be correct?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
No, your deduction is not correct. I believe , my religion is of God & I believe, your religion is also from God. But you are highly misguided & deviated from the religion of Jesus. If you follow the true path of Old & New Testament, then there is no difference between you & me. Please read the following verses from Old Testament:
Isaiah 11:1-4 A green Shoot will sprout from Jesses stump, from his roots a budding Branch. The life giving Spirit of God will hover over him, the spirit that brings wisdom & understanding, the spirit that gives directions & builds strength, the spirit that instills knowledge & Fear-of-God. Fear-of-God will be all his joy & delight. He wont judge by appearance, wont decide on the basis of hearsay. He will judge the needy by what is right, render decisions on earth’s poor with justice.
Note here what the Spirit of God means. Most important here is the Fear-of-God. There is no difference between you & me when Fear-of-God becomes your joy & delight. And you will get Salvation when you surrender to God whole heartedly in total as given in the following verse from your Bible:
Isaiah 12:2 Yes, indeed, God is my salvation. I trust, I wont be afraid. God, yes God is my strength & song, best of all my salvation."
Isaiah 11:1-4 A green Shoot will sprout from Jesses stump, from his roots a budding Branch. The life giving Spirit of God will hover over him, the spirit that brings wisdom & understanding, the spirit that gives directions & builds strength, the spirit that instills knowledge & Fear-of-God. Fear-of-God will be all his joy & delight. He wont judge by appearance, wont decide on the basis of hearsay. He will judge the needy by what is right, render decisions on earth’s poor with justice.
Note here what the Spirit of God means. Most important here is the Fear-of-God. There is no difference between you & me when Fear-of-God becomes your joy & delight. And you will get Salvation when you surrender to God whole heartedly in total as given in the following verse from your Bible:
Isaiah 12:2 Yes, indeed, God is my salvation. I trust, I wont be afraid. God, yes God is my strength & song, best of all my salvation."
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At 12:03 PM 6/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Please read the end of my message, the answer was written very plainly there. Sorry it took so long to get to.
Perhaps my answer was too long for you to read?
It's clear what I wrote. Look toward the end of my response .
They were not in heaven until Jesus died on the cross. whether they are in heaven at all, I would not know. I am not God. Whoever believes will be saved, so if they believed , they are there.
Dear Khalilur,
Please read the end of my message, the answer was written very plainly there. Sorry it took so long to get to.
Perhaps my answer was too long for you to read?
It's clear what I wrote. Look toward the end of my response .
They were not in heaven until Jesus died on the cross. whether they are in heaven at all, I would not know. I am not God. Whoever believes will be saved, so if they believed , they are there.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I understand that you are in doubt whether hundreds of Messengers of God who came before Jesus will go to heaven or not.. It is a very serious allegation. Take the example of Moses. Throughout his Prophet hood, Moses talked to God directly. You think he will not go to heaven? What about Abraham? God declared him as his friend. The whole world is blessed by his seed. You think he will not go to heaven? All the Prophets of God were guided by the Spirit of God & were declared innocent by God. They will lead their followers & enter into the heaven one after another. Your this Paulian concept is very dangerous. This will ruin the basis of your faith.
In fact, your theory of sinful seeds is totally wrong. It is beyond of any logical conclusion & does not have any Biblical support also.. Bible says, no son will be responsible for the sin of his father & vice versa. Everybody has to carry his own burden. Please read this verse from Old Testament.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins is the soul that dies. The child does not share the guilt of the parent, nor the parent the guilt of the child. If you live upright & well, you get the credit; if you live a wicked life, you are guilty as charged.
If you want to know the details of it, please read the whole chapter from Ezekiel 18. Very clearly it is declared by God that no son will bear the sin of his father & no father will bear the sin of his son. If Adam did some sin, his descendants are not responsible at all for that sin. So, the concept of dying on the cross for the sin of somebody else, is totally wrong& ridiculous..
In fact, your theory of sinful seeds is totally wrong. It is beyond of any logical conclusion & does not have any Biblical support also.. Bible says, no son will be responsible for the sin of his father & vice versa. Everybody has to carry his own burden. Please read this verse from Old Testament.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins is the soul that dies. The child does not share the guilt of the parent, nor the parent the guilt of the child. If you live upright & well, you get the credit; if you live a wicked life, you are guilty as charged.
If you want to know the details of it, please read the whole chapter from Ezekiel 18. Very clearly it is declared by God that no son will bear the sin of his father & no father will bear the sin of his son. If Adam did some sin, his descendants are not responsible at all for that sin. So, the concept of dying on the cross for the sin of somebody else, is totally wrong& ridiculous..