PART-III 

I thought Mr Donald will not communicate with me anymore. But, to my great surprise, I started receiving his mails again. There were no specific subjects; mostly it was casual discussions & sometimes it was the repetition of our previous discussions. So, I thought I will put them in Part-III of this book.

At   12:12 AM 6/24/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You said: "The verses that I quoted from Bible does go against your belief, but

they are in favor of my belief."

The way you read the scriptures is called "esiegesis". This is the process where you look of verses which support what you believe, rather than taking the scripture as the authority, YOU become the authority. You judge the bible (or in your words, you apply 'wisdom' ) to interpret the Bible.

 (here's the literal definition of Esiegesis: " the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas".

The problem with this is that people don't actually hear truth, they create their own. This is what ALL cults do. They pick the scriptures that support what they believe and they reject and discredit the ones that contradict what they believe.

I pray someday that you will come to know the Truth. I am being honest when I say that I know that the Bible is the literal Word of God and that Jesus is the Son of God. I can totally prove it from the Bible, but if you reject the Bible as the Word of God, (which you do), then I cannot prove it to you.

You keep calling me 'Pauline'. Paul was a great Apostle. God used Him to write over half of the New Testament Scriptures. Your rejection of his writings is not a rejection of him alone, but of God Himself.

Jesus said 'if they reject you, they reject me, if they reject Me, they reject Him who sent me".

So, there you are. If you really want to know God, let me know, for I know Him and He sent me to you. If you just want to try to prove that Islam is God's true religion you're wasting your time because Islam completely rejects the Bible as the Word of God and denies that Jesus is the Son of God, which shows that they are not of God at all. You might be very nice and good people, but your sins remain and the wrath of God remains. He has come to take away the sin of the world.

It is so wonderful to know that all of my sins have been forgiven and that I stand before God as though I've never done anything wrong and having been born again of His Holy Spirit I am a child of God!

 It is so good to be free. By GRACE we are saved THROUGH faith, not of works lest anyone should boast. (But don't misunderstand.... everyone WILL be judged according to their works, but they will not be saved by them.)   Apart from Christ, man's works are menstrual (filthy) rags (dead blood, not living blood). LIFE is in the blood. Jesus' blood gives life. If you count on works for salvation, you will be disappointed, for your works cannot pay the price for sin. God is the judge, not us. God does not overlook sin; He deals very harshly with it. The soul that sins, shall die. But Christ died to overcome sin and death, so we who believe should become the righteousness of Christ in Him. We stand having no spot or wrinkle, now created TO DO GOOD WORKS, for we have become HIS WORKMANSHIP.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

The verses I quoted from Bible are so clear & conspicuous that they do not need any further explanations. Any Tom & Harry can understand them on first reading. If you want to undermine these verses with some rhetoric & symbolic verses, it is not correct. Any verses coming from God should be crystal clear. You will find many examples of this in old Testament; short , precise & clear verses. But verses like 'eat the flesh & blood of Jesus' or ' clean your clothes with the blood of lamb'  etc. are very symbolic. Anybody can explain them in his own way. If you have to clean your clothes with the blood of lambs, then the Muslims do it every year. They sacrifice thousands of lambs every year all over the world during Hajj period.

Paul was never a disciple of Jesus. He never met Jesus during his life time. At the end, all the 11 disciples of Jesus rejected Paul & abandoned him. Please read all chapters of Galatians &it will be very clear to you whether I am telling the truth. That is why I call your religion a Paulian, because this concept was not supported by the disciples of Jesus. I am not the only person; many Christian scholars also call it a Paulian religion.

You don't have to become a "esiegesis" when you read Qur'an; no ambiguity, no confusion; all verses leading you to God, Almighty.

Christian people are very happy that they have got rid of the burden of Laws & Commandments of Moses. But you are forgetting how you have achieved that goal. It was not prescribed by Jesus. About 20 years after the departure of Jesus, Paul approached Jerusalem to take off this burden to attract the Pagans of Europe to this new religion. Jerusalem agreed to reduce some burdens. But finally, Paul took off all the burdens of Laws & Commandments by himself which is certainly against the order of Jesus. I again refer Galatians for this information.

At 03:41 AM 6/25/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

There is a Scripture in Revelation I'd like your opinion about. It reads:

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands," - (Rev 7:9 NKJV)

"and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"" - (Rev 7:10 NKJV)

"All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God," - (Rev 7:11 NKJV)

"saying: "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen."" - (Rev 7:12 NKJV)

"Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"" - (Rev 7:13 NKJV)

"And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." - (Rev 7:14 NKJV)

""Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them." - (Rev 7:15 NKJV)

""They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;" - (Rev 7:16 NKJV)

""for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."" - (Rev 7:17 NKJV)

Please tell me who you say "The Lamb" is.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

The question is who are these multitude numbers of people received salvation. There is a catching point. They are putting on white robes & carrying the branch of date tree. Both of these items are the symbols of Muslims. All Muslims put on white robes in their religious activities. It is more obvious during the Hajj. Hundreds of thousands of people assembled in the field of Arafah; all in white robes; people from all tribes, nations & languages of the world. It is really an un-imaginable scene. Thousands of lambs are also sacrificed during this time all over the world.

And palm branches (Date tree )  is certainly the symbol of the countries of Middle East & Islam. It is not the symbol of Christianity. Your symbol is X-mass tree & Cross. There is no indication in this chapter that anybody with Cross & X-mass tree will enter the heaven.

Now, the question is how the Muslims wash their clothing with the blood of Lamb. To know this, you have to study Islam. But it is true that your way of washing the clothes is not correct

You asked me who is this Lamb? Lamb is a lamb, a kind of animal mostly available in Middle East. I know, you explain the lamb as Jesus. But I do not understand why Jesus is shown as an animal. There were 4 more animals in that place. You could not explain who those are. There are 24 elders/leaders who are human, sitting on the thrones around God. They are more respectable than an animal. You could not explain who these 24 persons are. But if you want to take a lamb as God, you are welcome. Hindus in India also worship COW as God.

I give more importance for the people who "shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat". I am interested to know who those people are& how they have attained this status.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

In  one of your mail, you referred a verse from  John 1:1. Ok let me tell you something about it. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Look at the last word "God" which was changed from "god" with a small g into God with a capital G. Read the Greek verse " , , ." the word " " Hotheos which means God and the word " " Tontheos which means a god . They intend to change the word "a god" into God in the English versions to serve your faith with this horrible corruption. As God is completely different from a god because according to your bible Jews was gods (Ps 82:6) and Moses also was god (Ex 7:1).  Like Moses, Jesus was also a god, not God. 

Have you marked how a translation without original text can change the whole idea. Even a small g and a capital G can make so much difference. I have seen, translations varies from writer to writer in same language; what to talk about different language. So, it is very difficult to find out the real truth from English Bible available in the market. I have English & Bengali Bibles from India & Bangladesh. All are different from each other.

Another way to further clarify John 1:1 is to introduce to you what the Holy Quran says about Jesus and the Word. In Chapter 3:45: (Behold! the angels said: "0 Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and of (the company oj) those nearest to Allah). " This verse and verse 3:39 of the Quran pronounce Jesus as a word from Allah as do 1 Corinthians 3:32: "And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's."

May be John 1:1 should have been written as " ... and the Word was God's.

At 10:36 AM 6/27/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

God is real. Before I trusted in Jesus as my Lord and Savior I wasn't sure if He even existed.

But now I know that He is real, for He kept His promise.

If you want to know God today, you can. If you want to wait until you stand before Him in Judgment, youcan do that too. I don't know why you'd wait, when you can know Him right now.

Jesus promised that if we believe in Him that His Father and He would come and live in us, that He wouldsend His Holy Spirit and we would be born again. This promise is from God. God does not and,

indeed, cannot lie for God is good, always. I know you love to obey God's commands. This is a good and truly noble thing. John the disciple whom Jesus loved wrote to us what God also commands:

1 John 3:23   "And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Did you understand what I said in my last mail? I said that your whole concept is based on wrong translation of Bible. I gave an example how it is wrongly translated.

What you feel as a real God in your heart is not a real God. Anybody worshiping other gods also feel& see them as real. People worshiping Mother Kali or Lucifer can also have tremendous power in them & can do miracles also. Even if you worship God Cow, you will receive tremendous inspiration in your heart. This is my practical experiences. I am a graduate of Quantum Method of meditation also. So, I very clearly visualize what you see & feel when you are under the influence of Spirits of Ghost or Demon. But this type of feelings does not have any bearings on religion.

Yes, you must believe Jesus & follow his commandments. And what are his commandments?  The first commandment is : in Mark 12:29: "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, 0 Israel: The Lord !!! God is one Lord."


At 12:44 AM 6/29/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

The word used for God, here in John 1:1 is Theos in the Greek . It is used in the Bible 1320 times. Look up the verses and tell me who they are speaking of.

On another note.....in the Old Testament, here's a Psalm about Jesus:

Psa 2:1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],

Ok, I'll stop here and let you read the rest on your own. If you are serious about the truth you will read this Psalm. Let me know what you think.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

That is what I was explaining in my last mail about Word of God. Everything is created with the Word of God. The problem was with the translation from Greek to English. In Greek, two words are used which are  Hotheos&Tontheos . But while translating, they have used Hotheos for both God & Word.. The actual translation should be - . "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's or the Word was godly".  Please note that the last god was written with small g.

In the Bible, Jews were mentioned as gods (Ps 82:6) and Moses also was called as god (Ex 7:1).  But in both the cases, a small g was used to differentiate them with real God. For the same reason, small g should be used for Word to differentiate it from real God, because Word is never God. Greek Bible says exactly what I am telling you. You can check with Greek Bible & confirm me. Wrong English translation makes all these confusions.

Psalm 2 is talking about the praise of God & accepting Jesus when he comes on the mount of Zion. There is nothing new in this Psalm.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I have read three letters written by John to his followers in different areas.. He was insisting his followers again & again not to become the prey of the people who are preaching wrong concepts about Jesus. Some people were preaching that Jesus is not a human; he is God. John warned the people to remain cautious about those preachers. He was insisting that Jesus was a human; he was a man like you & me; a man with flesh & blood. If anybody does not believe it, he is an Anti-Christ & a deceiver.

2John  1: 7. There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!

I again insist that Jesus & his 12 disciples were teaching the people what exactly wanted by God. But, Paul who was not a disciple of Jesus, misguided the whole Christian world & led them to astray with his wrong concept.

At 08:44 AM 6/30/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

The Bible you are quoting is not at all accurate, that is not the way it reads in all of the authorized versions i've read.

I think you need to stop reading whatever Bible you have and just go on line and look up various different AUTHORIZED versions, so you can get the truth. The Jehovah's witnesses for example have a Bible, but it is not accurate to the original texts and makes very much the same assertions as you. Would you call yourself a Jehovah's witness?

You say that Jesus is not and was not the Son of God.  (For Allah does not beget).

John the Baptist, as recorded in John's gospel taught that Jesus was the Son of God:

"And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God."" - (Jhn 1:34 NKJV)

So, is Jesus the Son of God?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Yes, Jesus was called son of God like other believers. But he is NOT the begotten son of God as you claim. You may also become a son of God or you may become a son of Satan.

John    1:12  - Who so ever have faith on Jesus, he is the son of God.

John 8:44     You are not listening me because Satan is your father & you are the son of Satan.

You said in your last mail that the Bible I am quoting is not accurate. I must consult the Authorized version. Now who will tell me which one is the Authorized Version? Everybody is claiming that his Bible is most correct. But each one is different from another one. This is the proof that you cannot rely on everything written in Bible. You have to filter it to find out the real truth.

At 09:01 AM 6/30/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

I think you should actually read Psalm 2:

"Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?" - (Psa 2:1 NKJV)

"The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying," - (Psa 2:2 NKJV)

""Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us."" - (Psa 2:3 NKJV)

"He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision." - (Psa 2:4 NKJV)

"Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure:" - (Psa 2:5 NKJV)

""Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion."" - (Psa 2:6 NKJV)

""I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You." - (Psa 2:7 NKJV)

( Jesus is declared here,  by God Himself, to be the SON of God, BEGOTTEN of God).

Do you dispute that Jesus is the Son of God and begotten of God?

"Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession." - (Psa 2:8 NKJV)

"You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.' "" - (Psa 2:9 NKJV)

"Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth." - (Psa 2:10 NKJV)

"Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling." - (Psa 2:11 NKJV)

"Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him." - (Psa 2:12 NKJV) Notice the Scripute declares that we are to put our trust in Jesus, we are to 'kiss the Son', which means we are to WORSHIP Him. But, ONLY God is to be worshipped, so is this a contradiction in the Bible, OR is Jesus the Son of God!?( I say He is the Son of God and worthy of all praise and power and dominion now and forever, AMEN! )

And, as I said in my last email. The GREEK word for God in John 1 is THEOS and the word for WORD is LOGOS. I do not know where you are getting your information from, but i think that's part of why you look at the Bible the way you do: i.e. faulty source of information.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

What you have quoted from your Bible is not correct.  See the verse as below:

Psalm 2:7-9  " Let me tell you what God said next. He said, 'You are my son & today is your birthday. Name it what do you want? Nations as a present?Continents as a prize? You can command them all to dance for you. or throw them out with tomorrow's trash."

Have you seen, God never said anything about the word 'begotten'. It is your very wrong translation in your Bible.

Psalm 2:10-12  " Oh rebel-kings, use  your heads; upstart judges, learn your lesson. Worship God with fear;  And rejoice with trembling. Kiss Messiah! Your very lives are in danger. His anger is about to explode. But if you make a run  for God- you won't regret it!"

These are the advices for the rebel kings who will rage war against Jesus & his righteous people in the war of Armageddon. These kings should fear God & worship God. They should kiss Messiah means they should surrender to Jesus & come under his command. Who told you that kiss the son means worship the son? Do you think kissing & worshipping have the same meanings? You kiss your wife; does it mean that you worship her? Please my friend, I have great respect for you. You are so learned &a respected man. If you cannot explain something, please do not try to twist it; Do not try to misguide people with wrong meanings. The sins of other misguided people will fall on you. These are great sins.

At 10:28 PM 6/30/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You are ignoring the verses that declare Jesus to be the only begotten......

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." - (Jhn 1:14 NKJV)

"No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." - (Jhn 1:18 NKJV)

What do you say about these verses?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I checked all these verses in my Bible..Nowhere is written-" Only begotten son of God". Your translation is wrong & it is made willfully wrong. However, there is an explanation of 'God-begotten' in  verse John 1:12  "All who believed him & accepted him, they are the God-begotten; not blood-begotten, not  flesh begotten, not sex-begotten"

Now, I hope it is clear to you what is God-begotten. All believers are God-begotten. There is nothing special with Jesus except that he was the messenger of God like Abraham & Moses.

At 10:51 PM 6/30/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Here is some corroborating evidence to what I told you to 'kiss the Son', means. It means to at least submit to His rulership. That is, He is master, you are servant. I'll get you some other CLEAR references that Jesus is actually worshipped.

But for now, this will help you understand what it means to 'kiss the Son"........

Does Psalm 2:12 really say "kiss the son"?

Q: Does Psalm 2:12 really say "kiss the son"? My Jewish Bible reads, "pay homage in good faith."

NAS Psalm 2:12 Do homage to the Son,

NAU Psalm 2:12 Do homage to the Son

RSV Psalm 2:12 kiss his feet,

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Have you noticed, how kiss the son has gradually become kiss the feet of son. This is the example how people gradually shift the meaning of a word to suit his belief. This shifting of meaning has occurred due to the excessive respect for Jesus. It can be done very easily in the absence of original script. That is the reason nobody is allowed to translate Qur'an without original script.  Right side of the page contains original Arabic script & translation is on the left side of the page. If there is any confusion with the translation, you can straightway refer to the original.

Here, the whole scenario is revolved around the war of Armageddon. The rebel kings were advised to worship the God & kiss the Messiah. The word 'worship' is already there which is meant for God. The word kiss is meant for Messiah. It is very clear that kiss does not mean worship at all. It implies that you come under the command of Jesus in this war. Another point is that 'son of God' is not written in these verses; instead, Messiah is written.

At 11:02 PM 6/30/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

I have copied and pasted the work of another who has compiled scriptures showing the worship of Jesus.

Matthew 8:2 - A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]

Matthew 14:33 - After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.

John 9:38 - After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.

Hebrews 1:6 - Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.

Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority - the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.

Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Again same problem of understanding & translation of Bible. I have just looked for Mathew 8:2. It says:

Mathew 8:1-4  Jesus came down the mountain with cheers of the crowd still ringing in his ears. Then a leper appeared & went to his knees before Jesus, praying- ' Master, if you want to, you can heal my body'.  Jesus touched him & said- 'I want to. Be clean'. Then & there, he was recovered. Jesus said to him- ' Look, do not tell this to anybody. Show your body to Priest; give charity & sacrifice as per the law of Moses.'

This you call worshipping? This is not worshipping. It is showing respect before asking some favour from Jesus. Even today, we do same thing to our elders & respected persons. Before a king or emperor, people used to prostrate to gain his mercy or favour. In no way, you can call it worshipping. All other verses you have quoted in your mail, bear the same or similar meaning. So, please do not be misguided. Pray only to One God Almighty, who is your Lord & my Lord.

At 01:35 PM 7/1/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Is this the other Bible you have?

If so, then they are put out by the American Bible Society, which make good bibles.

Here is a description of this organization from Wikipedia: :The stated mission of the ABS is to make the Bible available to every person in a language and format each can understand and afford, so all people may experience its life-changing message."

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Conveniently we look for the Bible in our own language so that we can understand it very easily. But every copy is different from another in translation & meaning. Change of word or addition of a word makes the whole meaning different. Meaning of 'kiss Messiah' and kiss the feet of Messiah' is totally different. Same way, Son of God & begotten son of God have different meanings. Fall down on feet, prostrate or worship have very different meanings. But they are being used by different people to translate a specific word. Result is, the same verse carrying different meanings in different translations. This is a very peculiar state. People are playing with Bible just without any fear of God.. You claim Bible as the word of God. But you play with it as if it is your personal property; No accountability to God at all. Qur'an very correctly says- ' They have corrupted their book for very meager benefits'.

I have one question for you. Jesus will come back to this earth for second time. We know that he is going to get married during that time. My question is, who will be his Spouse? Is it a woman with Flesh & blood (human) or an angel woman or a God Woman?

At 09:46 PM 7/2/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Jesus is coming back for me, His bride, the Body of Christ, those called out from the world and set apart to rule and reign with Him.

I also have a question for you.......

You say that you will go to heaven if your good deeds outweigh your bad deeds.

Can you show me by using only the Old Testament that we can go to heaven at all?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Is this  the explanation of marriage of Jesus? I am really surprised to see how you people are playing with the verses of Bible. You are trying to explain every verses as per your free whims. These verses are so clear , conspicuous & straight forward that there is no scope of twisting it.

Rev 19:8-9   The marriage of Lamb has come. His wife has made herself ready. She was given a bridal gown of bright & shining linen. The linen is the righteousness. The Angel said to me-Write this, blessed are those invited to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb.

 You are trying to explain that you are the Bride? Jesus is coming to marry you?  Astagfirullah. God helps you. It is very sinful assumption you are making. But I do not understand why you have to twist the explanation. Why you don’t take the simple meaning of this verse? I tell you, you people are playing with the fire, changing the meaning of your scripture very openly.

Our Hadith says, Jesus will take over the power, he will marry, he will have children, he will rule the countries for 40 years & then he will die a natural death. Your Bible also supports it although you always try to explain it very wrongly. But your wrong explanation will not change the planning of God.

Every religion has two parts in it. They are : 1. Faith  2. Righteous deeds. If you have correct faith, only then your deeds will be weighed. But if your faith is corrupted like Paulian, you will straightway go to hell; your deeds will not be considered at all. I don't have to refer to Old Testament for this. You New Testament also say same thing.

Rev:20:11-12  I saw a Great White Throne & One sitting on that. All assembled in front of that Throne------Judgment was made as per deeds of the person.

Rev 20:14   “everybody was judged as per his deeds.”

May God give you wisdom to understand the scripture correctly.

At 08:38 AM 7/3/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Your understanding is entirely carnal, because you are not yet born of God, so I understand how you could call Jesus a Homosexual, but let me at least try to teach you the right way of God.

God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and Truth.

You look at things as a man, like the people who asked Jesus about marriage in Heaven. Jesus told them : "Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? Mar 12:24

Now, look at Revelation 21:10-27

Here you will see that the Bride of Christ are His people, not a single person. 'she' is the City of Jerusalem. Notice how she is described in the wedding announcement given in Rev. 19......

Rev 19:7"Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready."

Rev 19:8And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Rev 19:9Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed [are] those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God."

FINALLY, I HAVE PASTED THE ENTIRE 21st CHAPTER IF REVELATION SO YOU CAN SEE WHO GOD SAYS IS HIS BRIDE........

Rev 21:1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2Then I, John, [fn] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

( Then there is a long description of New Jerusalem which will be created after doom’s  day)

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I never dare to call Jesus with bad names. Astagfirullah; God forgive us. But you people are potraiting Him like that. You have also dishonored God Almighty by telling Jesus the begotten son of God. May God give you people wisdom to understand your scripture.

Revelation 19 is talking about the incidents &happenings of this present world when Jesus will come back again. He will become the President of a new UNO & all the countries of the world will remain under effective control of this UNO. Thus Jesus will become the King of all kings. His marriage ceremony will be held during this time.

But Revelation-21 is talking totally about a new world which will be created by God again after Doom's Day. There is no connection between Rev-19 & Rev-21 what so ever. Rev-21 is the description of heaven when God will live with us. I am really astonished how you can miss these points. I am sure you are not concentrating in your reading.

At 08:30 PM 7/3/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

I do not think you carefully read Revelations 21. Look again and honestly read verse 9.

What does this mean?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

My friend, you are the teacher of Bible; not me. How can I teach you Bible? Yet, I need to explain to you the whole chapter of 21 of Revelation. Please use your wisdom & understand it with an open mind.

Rev 21:1  Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

Verse 21:1 clearly tells us that a new heaven & earth has been created by God. Let me give you some more information from our Hadith how it has been done. After the death of Jesus, his Caliphs will rule the world for another 1000 years. Then the Biblical Beast & Dragon will be released again in this world. They will gradually lead the people to astray again.  Most of the people will become un-righteous; peace will depart from this world. There will come many other signs of last days of this world. One major sign is that the sun will rise from West. After that, God will destroy the whole universe with a big Bang (Sound). This is called the Doom's Day. Everything will be destroyed; all animals will die. Only God will exist. After many years, God will initiate the creation with a Big Bang again; a new universe will be created with new heavens & earth. People will be resurrected & raised for final judgment. After judgment, they will proceed to hell or heaven as per their punishment or reward. This is in short the story of development. Rev 21:1 speaks about this new creation of earth& heaven.

Rev 21:2   Then I, John, [fn] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

This is the verse which must clears all of your confusions. New Jerusalem is a part of Heaven which will be given to Jesus & his followers. This city has been prepared & decorated just like a Bride who is waiting for her husband. The details of decorations are given in the verses from 21:10 up to 21:27. This New Jerusalem is compared with a new bride to show the extent of beauty & decoration given to this city. The city itself is not the wife of Jesus. However, the people who will enter & live in this city,will certainly have their wives also with them. Jesus also will have his wife with him in this city. It will be clearer to you if you read & compare the translation of this chapter from other writers.

Every Prophets & their followers will have independent cities & heavens like New Jerusalem. As per our Hadith, there are 8 levels/types of Heaven which will be given to the people as per their righteousness.. Prophet of Islam & Muslims will go to the Heaven named JannatulFirdaus which holds the highest status among all Heavens.

But the important point is who are the people who will be allowed to these Heavens. Verse 21:8 gives the list of people who will NOT be allowed in these Heavens.

 Rev 21:8  "But the cowardly, unbelieving, [fn] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

 Here it is clear how the deeds of a person will affect his position in hell or Heaven. You can also find out among your Christian people who may NOT enter into this Heaven. Living aside the Belief, I am afraid about the sexual immorality of Christian people which may bar them to enter into heaven. Almost 90% of Christian people are having sex outside marriage which is not allowed at all. Living together is another culture of Christianity which has silent support of your Church. Some of your nations have declared even Sodomy as legal. When your NUN of the Church puts on very modest dress covering whole body & head, you call her Devoted. But when a Muslim lady puts on a similar modest dress, you call it Oppression. What a double standard! But I tell you, your Nun & our Muslim Lady are putting on the correct dress approved by God.

Have you noticed one thing in the description of New Jerusalem City? There are 12 gates for 12 tribes of Jews; There are names of 12 disciples of Jesus on the wall of 12 foundations. But there is not a single gate in the name of Paul & his followers. I am sure; you are not from the tribe of Israel.  Then Which gate you will use to enter Jerusalem? No gate for you. You must be careful right from now. Are you running after the liars? I desire, you get the right path to enter in to one of the Heavens.

At 09:23 AM 7/4/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You have, once again, ignored my question and tried to make your point through insults and obfuscation.

You are obviously not interested in truth in any way.

Your assertions that you have concern for my 'path' is questionable at best. You simply want to win an argument.  You have shown that you have no interest in honest debate. If you were honest you would not ignore my questions. Your dismissal of my questions shows that you do not have real answers and that you are simply trying to fit the bible to what you already believe, instead of seriously considering what it is saying.

If you really what to quote judgment scriptures, lets look at who isn't in the kingdom of God :

" But outside [are] dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie" Revelation 22:15.

Who is NOT in the kingdom?

Those who LOVE AND PRACTICE a lie. (False religions, and those who choose to not believe the truth. Jesus called HIMSELF "THE TRUTH".), yet you do not come to Him.

Idolaters (those who worship anything other than God in Christ (like those who love their religion more than God. If you refuse to be honest, you are damming yourself to eternal darkness. Jesus said that you NEED to believe IN HIM. If you refuse to believe in (that is, to rely upon, cling to and adhere to HIM, you remain blind and dead.)

Sexually immoral. Well, you know what that means, so if you are looking at internet porn, or are lusting after a woman (or whatever) you also fall into this category. Sex, outside of Holy Matrimony is sin. Whatever the form that sex takes.

Sorcerers: Those who practice divination, talking to the dead, those who seek power and benefit from other gods. Those who do drugs, who practice any and all forms of magic.

Dogs: The unclean. Those who are not washed in the Blood of the Lamb. They are not His sheep. (at least this is what I think He is saying here, I could be wrong about this interpretation.)

But what you miss about all of these acts, they are the FRUIT of a sinful tree. These acts don't keep people out of heaven, these acts are PROVE that those people are still dead in their trespasses and sins....that they have not been born again.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

In my last mail, I tried to explain the whole chapter of Rev:21& specifically the use of word 'Bride'.  I did not ignore your question. Answer of your question is lying in my explanation. If you do not get it or if you do not agree to some points or you need further clarifications, please let me know specifically. We may discuss further.

You have quoted a verse from Rev 22:15 to show who are the peoplecannot enter Heaven. We can quote another verse from Rev 21:8 which gives the similar information. Let us keep them side by side & discuss them.

Rev 21:8  "But the cowardly, unbelieving, [fn] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

 Rev 22:15.  " But outside [are] dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie"

These two verses are so clear & conspicuous that they do not need any sort of explanation. But you have given your own explanation. I agree with most of them; however, I want to add few more points.

Cowardly--- You did not explain this word. It is those people who do not dare to accept the truth; they are afraid of their position & status in the society. They prefer to follow their forefathers & afraid of accepting the new truth exposed to them. They are also afraid to oppose the injustice going on in the society.

Dog--- You said it is the unclean. In literally sense, yes, it is unclean. In practically & scientifically also, dogs are most unclean animal. In another translation I have read, it means the people with dog's nature. In Islam, dog is totally prohibited inside house. No blessings of God will enter into a house which has dogs. Anything touched by dogs will become un-pure. We have to wash it seven times to make it pure. I am sorry to mention here that dog has become the part of your family in western culture. I have seen people sleeping with dog. Your Christian culture did not develop as per Bible. Bible says, dog will not enter in heaven. But they are very comfortably living in your houses.

Unbelieving--- To understand this word we have to know what is believing. In Islam a believer is defined as a person who believes in ONE GOD, His Angels, His Prophets & Messengers, His Books, & Life Hereafter (Life after death). Anybody who defies any of them may be termed as unbeliever. Jesus is also included here among the list of Messengers of God.

Abominable--- You did not explain this word. What I understand, this word is used regarding prohibited foods. In Islam, there is a list of foods which are totally prohibited to eat & drink. Swine flesh, Any type of wines, bloods &the animals NOT killed in the name of God are totally prohibited for a Muslim. Similar lists are given in Bible also. But present Christian people do not follow them. Swine flesh (Pig) is also prohibited in Bible. But, it is a delicacy to a Christian. Here I must mention that these restrictions are not withdrawn by Jesus & his disciples; but withdrawn by Paul.

Idolaters--- Those who worship anything other than God is an Idolater. This 'anything' means everything other than God. It includes Angels, Prophets, Human, Sun, Moon, Ocean, Trees or idols. Thus, anybody worshipping Rama, Krisna, Jagadish or Jesus is also an idolater. This point should be made very clear that a man never becomes a God. Sin of Idolatry is so serious that it will never be excused by God. If you worship Jesus, you will also become an idolator.

Liars--- It includes all types of lie. When you give false evidence in the court of Law, you are a liar; when you speak lie, you become a liar. The person who is preaching a wrong religion, knowing that it is wrong, he is a great liar.. But his followers may not be liars; they are only having wrong faith or belief. But if they understand that it is wrong religion & still they persist on preaching it, they all become liars. I hope, it is very clear now.

Other words in these two verses are very clear & does not need any explanation.  But what we must remember is that the people as mentioned above will not enter into heaven & we should not be a part of them.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Can you please tell me what is the history of X-mass tree. I did not getany information about it in Bible. I could not find it out in any otherliterature also. I know about Cross why it has become the symbol ofChristianity. But what about X-mass tree?

At 09:23 PM 7/7/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

The Christmas tree is of pagan origin and is not biblical in any way.

However, that said, everything on earth belongs to the Lord, so we can glorify Him in all things.

I have no problem with people decorating a tree to remember the great gift that God gave to us in sending His Son as a sin offering for us.

I would have a problem, though of someone bowed before the tree and gave thanks tout for Jesus. I would show them Jesus as much as I can, and let them know the truth about God. I would not insist that they stop their idolatry, but I certainly wouldn't call them a Christian.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

You said, Christmas tree is of Pagan origin & not biblical. But you do celebrate it in such a way that nobody can dissociate it from Christianity. When you do not stop people bowing down before this tree, they think that it is allowed by Church & there is no idolatry in it. Thus you also share the sin of idolatry with them.

Not only Christmas tree, Christianity has compromised many other things also with Pagan. Trinity has come from Pagan in different forms. You have stopped circumcision to follow the Pagan. You have withdrawn the burden of Laws & Commandments to attract the Pagan to Christianity. You have withdrawn the restriction of foods to allow those Pagans to follow their old food habits. In fact it is no more a religion of Jesus. It is the modified version of Paganism blended with the name of Jesus.

You said, everything on earth belongs to the Lord, so we can glorify Him in all things. I know you want to justify Christmas tree by this sentence. If you follow this concept, you cannot blame Hindus who are worshipping more than thousands of items of this earth which belongs to God. Cows & Monkeys also belong to God. Hindus do worship cows &monkeys as because God also live among those animals.  They worship Rama, Krisna, Shiva & many other humans who belonged to God & God used to live among them. Do you find any difference between you & them? I don't.

At 12:51 PM 7/8/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

If I am judged by you or anyone for that matter, it is of no consequence to me, unless it causes you or others to stumble and in that case, love demands that I curtail my actions. I stand before God today, having the entire list of my sins and transgressions blotted out by the blood of the Lamb of God. I stand before God spotless and without blemish, born of incorruptible Seed. Not by works of righteousness which I have done, but by His Grace. By the will of God.

Khalil, you have absolutely no idea what is righteous and holy before God. I apologize for being so direct, but I cannot allow you to continue in such arrogant ignorance, without one final rebuke.

Your judgments and writings have what the Bible calls a 'form of Godliness....but denies the POWER of Godliness' .

You live and run your life based on what the Bible describes as the rudimentary elements. Don’t touch, don’t eat, etc..... You then have the ridiculous practice of judging me based on the very book you claim has been compromised and twisted. You do not accept the Bible as Gods word, yet you use it to try to condemn Christians! Classic!

You do what every other cult does. You claim 'special knowledge' of the scriptures. You REFUSE to accept them as the literal Wordof  God, instead, you make yourself a judge of the law, rather than a doer of the Word.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

In my last mail I gave some observations on Christmas tree, Paganism & idolatry. But you did not tell me whether my observations are correct or not. Instead, you have written many things which are not relevant to my mail.

You said-- "I stand before God today, having the entire list of my sins and transgressions blotted out by the a blood of the Lamb of God. I stand before God spotless and without blemish, born of incorruptible Seed."  Now, suppose I murder somebody & stand before God, is this sin be blotted out by blood of lamb? Then what will be the fate of the victim & his family? How they will  get justice from God?

Certainly I judge you with Bible, because you believe only one book and that is Bible. I cannot judge you with other scripture which you do not believe. However, during our discussion, I have very clearly showed that you people do not follow what Bible tells you to follow. Rather you are following the prescription of Paul, not of Jesus.

What I  understand till now is that both Jews & Christians are following extreme path in their religion. Jews give too much importance on ritual activities (Laws & Commandments) & ignore the spiritual (Roh) part of it. When the Christians give all importance to spiritual aspect only & they totally avoid the ritual part altogether. Both extremes are wrong. We should have a balanced life which follows the middle path. Islam is exactly following the middle path. Everyday 5 times we stand in front of God; we worship Him, we pray to Him, we confess our sins, we ask forgiveness & we get the power & light of God; we receive the spirit of light; and we receive everything what you are talking about for last 6 months. Again, we follow the Covenant of God whole-heartedly which protect us from the possibilities of committing sins. We tell people, do not do immoral sex; at the same time we take appropriate steps in our society so that people do not get chance to do immoral sex. If you want to punish somebody for intoxication, first, stop supply of alcohol in the market. Remedial action is better than cure.

I see Bible from outside with an open mind. So, I observe many things which you cannot see from inside. You have a pre-conceived mind which also blocks you to think rationally. So, it is very difficult to come out of this bondage. I cannot refer many things from Islam also, because you do not have any knowledge of Islam at all. Still I will request you, if you have some spare times, please read some literature on Islam. It will help you to understand your religion also.

Today I came to know something which I did not hear before. After Jesus died on cross, he entered the Hell for taking punishment. After 3 days, he was out from hell &raised to heaven. Can you please throw some light on this.

At 11:11 AM 7/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

I wil ask you a question first.What is hell? And why do you think Jesus went there?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I do not think that at all. But I have heard it from some Christian people. I want to know from you exactly what is this? I want to know about Jehova's Witness & about Protestant also. What is the difference between you & them? This is for my knowledge only.

At 12:29 PM 7/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

First answer my questions

KHALILUR RAHMAN

What is your question? You want definition of hell? It is just opposite to heaven. People who will be rewarded will live in heaven & those to be punished will be sent to hell. I do not know more than that.

Dear Khalilur,

I thought your prophet taught about hell as flames and pouring boiling water on and a place of punishment for those who do not believe, is this correct ?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

There are descriptions of Hell & Heaven in Qur'an & Hadith; Sometimes in details. Description of Heaven is almost similar of Biblical description of New Jerusalem in Rev 21. But Qur'an gives more details. Biblical description of Hell is very simple. It is 'Lake of Fire'. Qur'an gives more.

What are your concepts about Hell & Heaven?

I asked you one question few days back whether Jesus was sent to Hell after crucifixion for 3 days? You are asking me this & that, but you did not reply my question. Do you feel any problem to reply this or you don't want to reply or you do not know it or it is a confidential?.

At 08:58 AM 7/12/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

If your idea of hell is different than what the bible teaches, then my answer to you won't be in proper context.

I noticed that once again you never answered my question, so, I shall not answer yours.You ask me questions of heaven and hell, but you won't believe me about the things that Jesus actually said and did here on earth.It's not that I refuse to answer your question, it is that you refuse to actually, honestly, communicate.It's a two way street. In my opinion you are practicing the infamous Muslim doctrine of al taqiya, where you lie to me so you can ultimately dominate me and bring me under submission to Isalm.This is never going to happen, for greater is He that is in me, than he who is in the world.

Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, not just a created man, but the Only Begotten Son of God.All others are liars and thieves.

If you want to have an HONEST discussion, write back. If not, don't bother, it's  a waste of my time.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I do not understand your mind. I could not catch your point how exactly you expect my reply. If my reply is not appropriate to you, give your own explanation of Hell & Heaven from Bible for my understanding. But I do not understand what is the relation between the descriptions of Hell & Jesus going to Hell. I have heard from other Christians that Jesus was sent to Hell for taking punishment. I want to get a confirmation & explanation of this. If it is a secret belief of some cult & cannot be explained, just tell me so.

There is no secret in Islam; there is nothing to hide. Everything is very open & clear for whole mankind. So, there is no reason for me to lie for anything. Why to lie? I can explain each & everything of Islam with logic, with science & with my scripture and with your Bible also. The light of Truth is always bright & clear to whole mankind. You don't need any manipulation to justify it.

At 11:29 AM 7/12/2012, you wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

For the sake of believing that this is just a language barrier I am experiencing with you, I will answer your question............

What is Hell? Your definition of hell is most likely different from mine, because I embrace the Bible and you embrace the Qur'an. So, please allow me to give you what I know of the Biblical hell.

Jesus went to the Biblical hell. One of the names in the Greek is Hades. I have shown below that it went by three different names in the Bible: Hades, Gehenna and Sheol (old testament). It was, in general, THE PLACE OF THE DEAD, before Christ.

In this hell, I believe, there were two places prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus. There was Abraham's Bosom (also called Paradise) and The Place of Torment. (Reference Luke 16:23)

Jesus, upon His death, went to the place of the dead and there preached to those in that prison and upon His resurrection, led many of them into the Heavenly Paradise. I personally don't believe He led people out of the place of torment, but rather, He preached to those in Abraham's bosom, the full gospel.

Up until His appearing, they only had the Law and Prophets, so they were righteous in terms of the obedience to the law, but they were not perfect, because their sins still remained. Now that He had died for their sins, they were free to receive the complete forgiveness and cleansing for all of their sins and ascended with Jesus into Heaven.

There has been much debate over the years about exactly the right answer to this question.

However, it is not an essential doctrine. That is, we can disagree about the answer to this question within the Christian Body, without causing separation, because this doctrine does not secure salvation nor detract from one's ability to experience God's grace.

The lake of Fire is not hell. Hell itself will be thrown into the lake of fire ( Revelation 20:14), so

anyone in Hell will go into the lake of fire as well. Jesus did not go into the lake of fire.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Your Biblical concept is now very clear to me because we have similar concepts given by Qur'an.  You said, you have lot of debates on this doctrine. It is because nobody did explain it correctly to you people or everybody explained it in his own way. . Now I will explain them in the light of Qur'an.

There are two places for the dead. The righteous people, after their death, will go to a place which is very comfortable & peaceful. In your Bible, it is called 'Abraham's Bosom' (Luke 16:22). In Islam, this place is named as 'Illiyin'. There is a Book there & the names of these righteous people are recorded in that Book.

The wicked & unrighteous people, after their death, will go to a place named "The Place of Torment." (Luke 16:23). In Qur'an, this place is called 'Sijjin'. Names of all wicked people are recorded in a Book kept there.

Anybody is dead; straightway he will proceed to his respective place. All these dead people will stay in these two places till the Doom's Day when whole universe will be destroyed including living animals &  Angels.  A new Universe will be created again ( Rev 21 ); the dead people will be resurrected & they will be raised to assemble for Final Judgment. After judgment as per their deeds, they will be sent to Hell or Heaven as they deserve (Rev 20:11-15). I hope, you understand what I mean by Hell & Heaven. They are the final destination for anybody.  You may have different terminology for them.

This is the fact in short. If you take this as true, you will have no difficulties to explain any verse of Bible on this subject.

Now please tell me, do you have any Biblical support to prove that Jesus went to the place of dead to preach Gospel after his crucifixion? Please quote me those verses for my study.

At 11:13 AM 7/15/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

These scriptures. Are the basis on which many believe Jesus descended to the place of the dead and lead captivity, captive.....

Matthew 12:39 He answered, A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Ephesians 4:8 When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people. 9 (What does he ascended mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

1 Peter 4:5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise

This is Jesus speaking to Mary when He rose from the dead on the third day after His death:

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Again you have interpreted the verses very wrongly & assumed something which is not correct at all. Let us consider  the first verse you have quoted.

Matthew 12:39 He answered, A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Here, example of Prophet Jonah has been given. Jesus said, He will remain in the belly of earth for 3 days & 3 night as Jonah was in the belly of a huge fish for 3 days & night.. It means Jesus will remain in his grave for 3 days & night as like Jonah was in the belly of fish. Belly of earth does not mean 'The Place of Dead'. It very clearly means the grave where Jesus was put after crucifixion.  You may find one very interesting clue here. Jonah was alive in the belly of fish; he was never dead. So, Jesus was also alive in his grave. He was never dead on cross; otherwise he can never compare himself with Jonah. I hope you can get my point. The last verse you have quoted does give the same indication that he was alive.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Here Jesus was requesting Mary not to touch his body. Why? Because he was having the same old body which is wounded during crucifixion & it is painful if somebody touches it. He said, he did not go up to his Father; it means he is not yet dead. If dead, his soul would  have gone up to father. And now he is going up with this physical body. Note his last words also. He said, he is going up to God; who is his God & your God. Here, he is proclaiming that he has a God who is everybody's God;  It shows that Jesus himself is not a God.

The next verse you have quoted from Ephesians 4:8-13.  This verse is written by Paul himself to the people of Ephesians. Paul explaining that as because Jesus has ascended up, it means Jesus  had also descended deep below the centre of earth. What a ridiculous argument!!  All Gospels are telling & all disciples of  Jesus saw him ascending up from the surface of earth; not from the deep below the earth. Why Jesus had to go to the deep below the earth to see the deads? Do you think the place of torment for the deads is lying in deep below the earth? What an assumption?. We know what is there inside the earth; Scientists have given us details of the contains of the earth  centre. If we preach that the dead souls are being tormented deep below the earth, people will ridicule to our religion. Please do not do that. Qur'an says, all souls are going up to 'Illiyin' or 'Sijjin' depending upon their activities as I told you in my last mail.

You quoted 1 Peter 4:5-6. These verses are talking about people who are spiritually dead & alive. It is not talking about physical dead. You have  quoted Acts 2:31; I do not know why? Here David is talking about the soul of Jesus which is not tormented in the hell. How it is relevant that Jesus is teaching Gospels to the dead souls in Hell?

"Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." This is the conversation between Jesus & his fellowman who was on the cross with him. This man did some offence for which he was put on cross. While on cross he accepted Jesus and had faith on Jesus. Jesus promised him that he will be in paradise with Jesus. Here Jesus is talking & preaching to a living man; not to a dead soul in hell.

It is now very clear that some wrong interpretations & wrong assumption has led people to some wrong & ridiculous beliefs. It is proved that Jesus never visited hell to preach Gospels to the deads.

At 03:24 AM 7/16/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Well, I guess you'll find out who was right when you stand before Jesus on the Day of judgment. I could be wrong about him preaching in Hell.

But He is indeed the Son of God and He did definitely die on the cross.

You just refuse to believe.Good bye.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I am 100% sure that I will never stand in front of Jesus for judgment. I have to face God Almighty for judgment. You also have to face God Almighty. On that day, Jesus will be ashamed in front of God Almighty for those people who call him God or call him the begotten son of God. However, if Jesus comes back during my life time, I will, Insha-Allah, join him to fight Anti-Christ like Jews & their friends to establish the Rule of God. I hope, you will also join us in that war of Armageddon.

How you can tell that we have to stand in front of Jesus for Judgment when your Revelation 20:11-15  tells us very clearly that the judgment is made by that Almighty who is sitting on a White Throne?  He is not Jesus. All people, small or great, will assemble in front of Him. Jesus will also face Him; certainly Jesus is in the group of Great people.

 At 05:57 AM 7/18/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Here's just a few verses to show you that:

Jesus is the Judge........

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:31-34, 41, 46

"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done." Matthew 16:27

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil." 2 Corinthians 5:10

And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your works, your love and faith and service and patient endurance, and that your latter works exceed the first And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve." Revelation 2:18-19, 23

"The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man." John 5:22-23

Christ doesn’t say that the people are to honor him in the same way they would honor a prophet, messenger, rabbi, parents etc. Rather, Jesus emphatically states that everyone must give him the same honor that they give to God! Jesus is basically demanding to be worshiped as God since this is the kind of honor that the Father receives. Anyone who fails to worship Christ will be judged and condemned by him.

Moreover, Jesus says that another reason why he judges is because he is the Son of Man:

"And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man." John 5:27

The only way for you to say that Jesus is not the Judge is to deny the Bible as the Word of God and in so doing, you are declaring that you are an unbeliever and therefore still dead in your trespasses and sins.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

It is very difficult to make you understand the real truth because your all teachings are based on wrong foundation. Recently I was asking you about Jehovah's Witness. I have already come across some of them & read their literature. It is very astonishing to find that many Christian Scholars have already carried out lot of research work on Christianity. They have found that the doctrine of Trinity is developed after the Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. They have also proved beyond any doubt that the doctrine of Trinity is a very wrong concept which does not have any support from Bible. You will get all details if you open the following web page & read about Trinity.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/beliefs_and_activities.htm

Now coming to the verses you have quoted from Mathew 25:31-46, I must say that you have failed to understand the very first verse. "When the Son of Man, in the peak of his glory, coming with Angels & sitting on his throne"- this very verse is speaking about the occasion when Jesus comes back to this earth, defeats his opponents & takes over the power of this world. He will call all the nations of the world, separate them who fought in favour of him & who fought against him in the war of Armageddon. Nations supporting him will share the power with Jesus & will become king to rule their respective nations, whereas the nations like Israel & USA who fought against Jesus in this war will be punished.

All other verses you have quoted  carry the similar meanings. You may note that Jesus is called SON OF MAN in all these verses to indicate that he is a man.

You have quoted from John 5:22-23. But if you go back slightly & read verse 19, it says-'"Jesus told to those leaders, ‘I tell you honestly, Son cannot do anything by himself; whatever is ordered by Father, he does only those things'." Here Jesus proclaims the supremacy of God over him.

At 10:40 PM 7/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Is God your father?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

" He is Allah the One and Only , Allah the Eternal Absolute , He neither beget nor is He begotten , and there is none like unto Him".. this is a chapter from the Holy Qur'an which gives your reply.

At 11:42 AM 7/21/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Look again at this verse I sent 5 days ago.

This verse describes Jesus as the Son of God. So He is BOTH the Son of man and  Son of God!

Do you believe the book of revelation or not?

And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your works, your love and faith and service and patient endurance, and that your latter works exceed the first And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve." Revelation 2:18-19, 23

And answer me this, WHO is able to make this claim that Jesus makes about Himself, besides God?:

And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve!

Khalil, Jesus is real and knowable today.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are just another cult, like Mormons. Nice people, much like you. But they deny, much like you, The Son, and therefore, they have NOT the Father, and therefore are not yet the children of God.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

You have quoted from Rev 2:18-19 to show the Power & Authority of Jesus which he can apply to his people. But you did not see from where he is getting this power.  You move slight forward & read Rev 7:26; you will find the source of power & authority of Jesus.

Rev 7:26  Jesus said-"As Father has given me Power & Authority to rule over the Nations, I pass it to you who conquer & stay at it & do as I desire till the end"

Jesus is getting this power from God Almighty & he can pass on this power to his followers also. My friend, you have eyes, but do not see; you have mind, but do not think; you have ears, but do not hear. You must use your wisdom to understand the truth.

Qur'an says -" They have hearts wherewith they understand not; eyes wherewith they see not; and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle, nay more misguided; for they are heedless" (7:179).

Exactly similar verses are there in your Bible. But you don't understand.

Month of Fasting (Ramadan) has come in the Muslim World & we are fasting in this lunar month for 30 days. May Allah accept our prayer of Fasting.

Qur'an has called us towards life; from dark to light. We have accepted it & now we are very much alive.

Do not try to become the son of God; try to become His slaves. We all are slaves of God Almighty; very obedient servant.

  At 04:06 AM 7/22/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Yes, of course God gave Jesus all authority. Jesus is from God! I know you struggle with His divinity, but it's only because you think in human terms and don't take at face value what the Bible actually says.

You are constantly trying to 'figure it out'.God said to us: "Rely NOT on YOUR own understanding, but in all yourways, acknowledge me and I will direct your paths".It is not those who strive in their own flesh who are the children of God, itis those, who by faith BELIEVE HIS PROMISES.Even Moses and Abraham simply believed God. It was not their worksthat made them Holy men. It was their trust in the promise of God to them!

Abraham believed God when God told him that He would make of Abraham a great nation and THAT THROUGH YOUR SEED ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD WOULD BE BLESSED.

Moses believed God when God told him that he would be used by Godto deliver God's people from the slavery they were in under Egypt.

Neither of these men were keepers of the 'law of God' to begin with. Indeed, the law was given through MOSES, 400 years AFTER Abraham!

It is ALWAYS by faith that we become partakers of God's kingdom. Wecan NEVER earn His favor. It is IMPOSSIBLE. God is not impressedwith what we do FOR Him.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

You are very correct that the most important thing is your Faith or Belief. In Islam, it is called Iman. If you have a correct faith, only then your other activities will be considered. If your faith is wrong or corrupted, there is no hope of getting salvation or eternal life. As long as you believe in One God Almighty, you are in correct path. As soon as you say Jesus is God or Jesus is one of three Gods, your faith is polluted with blasphemy & you have no hope of salvation or eternal life. I have come to know that hundreds of Christian scholars also have proved beyond doubt that the doctrine of Trinity is wrong. I am giving some quotes from a literature of one Christian scholar who refutes the claim of Trinity..

WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE HOLY BIBLE

God is the only true God, the Almighty, who has no equal. Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 44:6.

The idea that God married a woman in order to have sons is unthinkable.  Psalm 36:9; Job 38:7; Luke 3:38; Genesis 2:7.

The Holy Bible strongly condemns worship of any person or object (including idols and carved images). God alone must be worshiped. Matthew 4:10; Leviticus 26:1; Psalm 115:4-8.

God is Lord of all mankind, and his Word was written for all humans, both men and women. Genesis 22:18; 1 Timothy 2:4; Ephesians 5:33.

Entry into Gods promised Paradise does not depend on birth, nationality, or the religion our parents gave us. Acts 10:34, 35; Revelation 7:9, 10.

The Holy Bible appeals to reason and rises up against ignorance. Proverbs 2:3-6; Psalm 119:33, 34.

Abraham & Moses had a very strong faith on God Almighty. They used to follow God's order instantly without any delay. God asked Abraham to cut his foreskin (Circumcision). Abraham took his axe & cut his foreskin instantly without delay & without asking the reason. Moses was asked to come to mount Sinai with 70 leaders of Israel. Moses ran to that place & other people could not keep space with him. God asked Moses, why he is alone. Moses said, I thought you will be angry if I am late. So I came running & others are following me. These are the examples how strong was their Faith & what was the total submission to God Almighty.

So my friend, you have to rectify your belief or Faith as per correct interpretation of your scripture. Only then you can have a place in Abraham's Bosom after your death.

At 06:40 AM 7/23/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

My friend, I am glad to see that you give good place to the Holy Scriptures, the Torah, Zabur as well as the Injeel. I knowyou do this because it is written in the Surah 3:3-4 "...and He (God) send down the  Law (of Moses) and the Gospel(of Jesus) before as a guide to mankind".However, your past statements have shown that your opinion of these Holy Scriptures are in contradiction with the teachingof the Qur'an itself. I believe this happens when we are listening to teachers, rather than seeking the truth ourselves.I will be honest, I do not believe that the Qur'an is one of God's Holy Scriptures, however, I am willing to read and studyto show myself approved, a workman needing not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth, as Paul stated in 2 Timothy 2:15as he wrote to the young Timothy whom he had placed as pastor/teacher over a small church.

That said, even the Qur'an tells us in Surah 2:136 that the Torah and Injeel and all the teachings of the prophets sent from Godwere to be studied and followed as the Word of God and not of man....... "Say ye" 'We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham...and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we made no difference be on and another of them: and we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

So, it is an important question: do you consider the teachings of the Injeel to be right or wrong? The Qur'an clearly calls themthe Word of God. Should we not, then, study and learn of them?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I am happy that you have started consulting Qur'an as well. It is good to make a comparative study of other religions. This gives the opportunity to know the real truth. Whatever you have quoted from Qur'an is absolutely correct. Whatever is revealed on Moses & Jesus are true & we certainly believe that. But you have mixed up the speeches & explanations of people other than Jesus in your New Testament which makes your scripture corrupted & polluted. You cannot deny that only 4 books of New Testament (Mark, Mathew, Luke & John) are dealing with speeches & activities of Jesus. Remaining 23 books are written by Paul & other people after the departure of Jesus. How you can claim that they are the part of Injeel which revealed on Jesus? Moreover, you do not follow the teachings of Jesus. You are following Paul & his doctrine of Trinity  which has been proved to be wrong by the Christian Scholars also. Qur'an very rightly has said in Surah 9:31--" They ( Christians& Jews) take their priests & anchorites to be their Lords beside Allah and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary."  You people are doing exactly same thing which Qur'an says. But you were ordered to worship One God as I quoted from Bible  in my last mail. Qur'an further says in same verse--" Yet they were commanded to worship but One God; there is no god but He. Praise & Glory to Him; (far is He) from  having the partners they associate (with Him)."

Do you know what Qur'an says about son of God?  Just open the previous verse  (Surah 9:30)---" The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth."

This is the truth; the absolute truth. May Allah guide us to Truth.

Prof Robert Shedingeria working in Luther College of IOA  states in USA as the professor of Theology. He has published a book this year named 'Was Jesus a Muslim?' In this book he has claimed that Jesus was but a Muslim. Today I have read only the review of the book. I am trying to get a copy of the book to read it myself. Please let me know if you come across that book.

What I feel, Jesus did not start his real mission as yet. He has only introduced himself to this world. His real mission will start once he comes back again to this earth. That is why he could not clarify many things in clear language. He tried to keep them in secret  & many times tried to avoid crowds. People got confused with his behavior & reply. It is because he did not want to disclose many things.

At 10:48 AM 7/25/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Since you disregard the vast majority of the gospel writings, you limit me to answering you from the four gospel accountsas written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, because these you say are the Word of God (as taught in your Qur'an).Let's start with what Jesus said about the truth. This month, you are praying for Allah to lead you in truth. That's good. That's whyHe sent me to you.

Jesus said this about Himself: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life".He didn't claim to know the truth, He claimed to BE the Truth.That's a BIG differenceSo, if you really want the Truth, you must come to the feet of Jesus and ask Him for help. But, He also said, that the FatherHimself loves you and that if you ask anything IN MY NAME (Jesus) the Father will give it to you.

You seem to have a big problem with the Trinity. Let me start by saying this:

You say that "many Christian scholars have shown that the trinity is not true".

Let me answer this: Jehovah’s witnesses ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.Neither is any other 'scholar' who denies the trinity, so you can't site them as proof.Yes I know all about the "Council's" that you claim perverted the truth. You are simplygrasping at straws and spouting information you found on the internet. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, then you can't understandthe things of God, so I DO NOT EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND GOD.

A Christian is someone who is born again of God. If you are not born of God, you are not a Child of God, and thereforenot a TRUE Christian.

Now, Jesus said in Mark 1:15:   "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."So, Kahilil, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND?IF YOU DO, WHY HAVE YOU NOT REPENTED AND BELIEVED THE GOSPEL?

Your works cannot pay the price for your sins nor make you acceptable to God. Yes, you DO need to repent, but repentance means turning from control of your own life to allowing Allah to be Allah. That is, HE IS GOD, NOT YOU. Either you submit toHim as Savior, or you are claiming to be your own savior, you are exalting yourself to be equal with God, you are saying thatGod OWES YOU, rather than you owing God. God owes no man anything, correct?

This isn't 'of Paul', nor of the other disciples. This is OF GOD. This is not of man. That's why it's the TRUTH.

Finally: Jesus said " and THIS is eternal life, to know thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent".

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I feel we are repeating same thing again & again. Still I want to repeat it again for our understanding. In this letter, you have quoted two verses from Jesus. I want to make a brief discussions on them. Jesus said this about Himself: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life". Jesus is the way; it means you have to know what is his way& follow them. You have to know what is the truth he has given to us. Know them, believe them & follow them. Only then you will have  the eternal life which he has promised. If you read 4 gospels religiously, you will find the way & truth Jesus has given to you. The first order Jesus has given to us is to worship One God;  NOT to WORSHIP JESUS.

Mathew  4:10    - Worship the Lord your God, and only him. Serve him with absolute single-heartedness.

The next order of Jesus was to follow the Laws & Commandments.

Mathew  5:17-20  Do not think that I come to destroy the Law and commandments  of Moses, but to strengthen them.

Mathew 18:16-21  People asked-How to get eternal life in Heaven. Jesus said- Obey the Commandments of God.

Mathew 23:2-3    -Do what you are told to follow the laws of Moses.

Luke  16:29         For salvation, give attention to the books of Moses & Prophets.

Luke 16:17    The sky will disintegrate & the earth will dissolve before a single letter of Gods Law wears out.

But unfortunately, Paul has abolished all these & established his own way of life. Now you follow the Way of Paul, not the way of Jesus. So, how you can expect the eternal life?

Next verse you have quoted in your letter is --Jesus said " and THIS is eternal life, to know Thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent". Very true; you have to know the True & Only God. And you have to know Jesus Christ whom God has sent to us to show us the way of life.

Now, Jesus said in Mark 1:15:   "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."  Here you have to understand very carefully what is the kingdom of God?  Jesus came to give this good news of this kingdom. Now what is your believe, this kingdom has already come or it will be coming very soon or Jesus will come back to establish this kingdom? The Kingdom of God which is predicted by Jesus is first established by the Prophet of Islam.  But the forces of Beast was trying to destroy & damage the kingdom of God & they are mostly successful. Muslims are still trying hard  to maintain the Kingdom of God where only the Order of God will prevail.  Qur'an says--" inilhukmuillaLillah" which means ' Only the Order of Allah will prevail ." But most of the Muslim leaders ( Kings) have fallen prey to the Beast of Bible. Instead of Law of Allah, they follow different 'Ism' made by Man. When Jesus will come back, the worldwide Kingdom of God will be established again after the war of Armageddon.

At 12:41 PM 7/26/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

The kingdom of God, Jesus said, is within you. This is also interpreted as "in your midst". If you are serious that the gospels are to be heeded, here is what Jesus said:

Luk 17:20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

Luk 9:27"But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God."

The kingdom of God, in truth, is the ruler ship of God. If you are under submission to the King ( you must be born again for this to be true ), you are then, in the kingdom of God. For God is your king and you are submitted to Him, no matter where you are.

Peter, whom I believe you recognize as one of Jesus' closest disciples says this:

1Pe 2:24 -25 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer [fn] of your souls.

Here we have the Gospel: Jesus paid the price for our sins so that we could be born again, having been washed from all sins, so now we live under the ruler ship of God in our lives, thereby being in His kingdom here and now.

Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit [fn] in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,

1Pe 1:23having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

KHALILUR RAHMAN

What I  feel now, the whole doctrine of Christianity is based on abstracts. It does not have any connection with realities & practical life. If I ask you, where is your God? You will reply, God is in my heart. If I ask you , where is your Comforter or Helper? You will reply, it is in my heart, it is Holy Spirit. If I ask you, where is the kingdom of God? You will reply, it is in my heart. If I ask you, how to get salvation? You will reply, drink  blood of Jesus & wash your clothes with blood of lamb. If I ask you, who will be the bride of Jesus? You will reply, it is the people of New Jerusalem. And many  other replies are like that which are absolutely abstract. We are very common people made of dust & soil. We do not understand any abstracts. If you say, Jesus will get the Throne of David, we want to see that Throne practically. We don't want to imagine it in our heart. If you say about a kingdom of God, we want to see that empire in this world; no imagination in our heart. Can you please give some practical solutions which everybody can see &feel.Nobody can see what types of Holy Spirits & Kingdoms are in your heart. You cannot see what are there in my heart. Your spirits & your friends spirits  are certainly not same. We cannot even check how they look like. You can make people fool with the story of heart & spirit because nobody can see and check it.

At 10:33 AM 7/28/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Your request for less abstract, and more 'down to earth' demonstrations of the gospel is refreshingly honest.Before I go there, let me just correct something you wrote. The throne of David is not in our hearts. It is a line ofauthority which God promised to follow. This is the reason that the messiah was referred to by the Jews as the "Son of David".Interestingly Jesus had the following to say about that:

 Mark12: 35Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, "How [is it] that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?

 Mark12: 36"For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool." '

 Mark 12:37"Therefore David himself calls Him 'Lord'; how is He [then] his Son?" And the common people heard Him gladly. I write this to point out that Jesus was showing that King David was speaking in Psalms saying that God spoke to Jesus, before He was born and He called Jesus the Lord of David. Interesting, isn't it? How can Jesus be David's lord, if he was a descendent of King David? (He couldn't.) So, Jesus was showing that His Sonship is from God, not man.

As for what you call "abstract":

The kingdom of God IS an internal reality, as much as a practical one. What I mean is this: If God is not the Lord of your life, thatis, if He is not ruling over your heart, then you are not under his rulership and you are not in His kingdom.

So, now for the 'down to earth idea'.

Much like what I said here about the kingdom of God, you are a citizen of a country, correct? No matter where you go in theworld, you are still a citizen of that country.

I am a citizen of Heaven, because God lives in my heart. One day, I will physically be in the kingdom of God, whether hereon earth when He comes again in glory to judge the set up His kingdom reign for 1000 years on earth, on the throne ofDavid, or in Heaven, where He does and will reign for ever and ever.

Jesus said "God is Spirit and those who worship Him, must worship Him in Spirit and Truth." I know this is very abstract, butthese are the words of Jesus, not me. You must understand that God is not just some ruling king. He is the very creatorof everything that exists, both visible and invisible. Man is constantly shrinking God down so they can understand Him.He doesn't tell you to understand Him. He tells you to believe Him. This is the proper relationship between God and man.

He gets to speak and we get to listen. He gets to make the rules, we get to obey. He has the right to say what Hedoes in Proverbs: "Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways, acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and depart from evil..(Proverbs 3:5- 7).

Jesus is going to return to earth. Until then, His Body is His representation on Earth. To be part of that body, you must believein Jesus, as the Father commands.

When Jesus  returns He will set up His kingdom in Jerusalem. He will not yet judge the world, but He will have Satan boundand cast into a bottomless pit. The people of earth will not have Satan to blame anymore for their actions. It will all be 'on them".  Jesus will rule the world with a rod of Iron for 1000 years and He will allow to rule with Him, those who came throughthe tribulation period, who did not take the mark of the beast, as well as all those who had been born again, previously, beforethe tribulation period began. (I am one of these people.)

At the end of the 1000 year period of time, Satan will be released and he will be permitted to tempt the people ofearth once more. After a period of time, Satan will rally the rebellious people of earth then come against Jesus and His saints in the city of Jerusalem and this is when the battle of Armageddon occurs. When these people surround the City of God, to come against Him, fire will rain down from heaven and devour these rebellious people. Satan and the Beast will be cast into the lakeof fire where they will be tormented forever and ever.

Then the Lord will bring all people who have ever existed before Him in judgment and the books will be opened and those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire to also be tormented forever and ever.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

The chronology of incidents you have mentioned in your letter is not as per chapter Revelation of Bible. I discussed the chapter Revelation very elaborately in my previous mails. But it seems that you did not get the explanation at all. You are still sticking to the explanation given by your teachers.  It is very interesting that the chronology given in Bible is same as given by Islam. But you have made it different with different explanations. However, I will give those incidents againchronologically for your knowledge .

1. A man on a white horse with bow will come ; he will conquer east & west ; establish kingdom of righteous people. ( Rev 6 )

2. Predictions show that Dragon, the Beast & the second beast with number 666 will appear. They are all Anti-Christ.(Rev 13)

3. The boy who was born in Middle East will appear & fight the Dragon & two Beasts. (Rev 12 & 19)

4. Jesus will come down & join this boy to fight the Dragon & Beasts.(Rev 14)

5.  The Dragon & Beast will be captured & kept captive for 1000 years. After that they will re-appear again. (Rev 19 & 20)

6. Jesus will rule the nations. (Rev 20)

7. Jesus will marry &  have children & die a natural death after 40 years. (Rev 19 & Hadith)

8. Dragon & Beast will appear again & rule the world. Doom's day will come & whole universe will be destroyed. (Rev 20 & Hadith)

10. A new Universe will be created. (Rev 21, Qur'an & Hadith)

11.  Final Judgment will be done by God alone. Nobody shares this authority. Everybody will be judged for his deeds only.( Rev 20)

This is a plain truth. What you know now is not true. Please read Revelation again & ponder on it.

I have not found anywhere when David calls Jesus Lord. If at all  David calls him Lord, does it make Jesus God? When we go to the Court of Justice, we address the Judge as My Lord, my lord. Does it mean the Judge is a God? So, my friend, do not become a prey of jugglery of words. Accept the plain truth.

At 10:20 AM 8/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur

Let's say you be honest now. By your writings, you show that reject the teachings of Jesus as taught in the Injil and through my examination of your knowledge of the Torah, you view it through the lens of Islam. You only pretend to honor Jesus in order to try to convince me of the truth you have found in Islam.Let me make no such pretense with you.........I will say this, then, one final time.

Mohammed is a false prophet of God. He has lead over 1 billion people away from the Love of God and into slavery, fear and an ignorant practice of religion that creates in them the illusion of godliness, when in reality they become prideful, boastful and arrogant against other people, because the basis of their righteousness is their own efforts and their ability to keep some rules and bring their bodies into some sort of submission to religious practice. They judge themselves not as sinners, but as holy people who need no salvation.

The exact opposite of what Jesus taught.

The true mark of a disciple of God is that they love Him (Jesus) whom God had sent and they also love those who are born of God (born again believers in Jesus.)

The true fear of God is to obey Him, not to crawl around on your hands and knees as trying to placate a tyrannical dictator. God is love and yes, God is hate, but what God hates, is that which is contrary to Love!

He commands men everywhere to accept the free gift of His Son Jesus. Not accepting Him is to reject the lovethat He has for you and to miss out on what He has given to you. He doesn't throw you into hell for rejectingHim, you are already going to hell. By rejecting Him, you are throwing yourself into hell.He has provided for you the Way to NOT go there! (Faith alone in Christ).A person truly submitted to God has accepted the free gift of eternal life given in Jesus Christ.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Do you know the difference between a Muslim &  a Christian? A very common Muslim also knows everything about Christianity & Judaism. But a very learned Christian also does not know anything about Islam. So, you are just one-eyed; cannot judge from a neutral point of view. A Muslim can very easily compare all these three religions & can select the real truth.

How you can say that Islam is false when you do not have any knowledge of Islam. Jesus did not say that no Prophet will come after him. Can you show me a single instance where Jesus said, I am the last prophet from God?

You are passing comments on Islam without appropriate knowledge & these comments are entirely wrong.

I don't have to prove that your doctrines are wrong; there are hundreds of Christian scholars who are proving them to be wrong. Even you cannot reply the questions asked by the people of Jehovah's Witness, what to talk about a Muslim questioner.

Main problem with you is your Faith. It is heavily corrupted with blasphemy. Thousands of Prophets, starting from Adam till Zachariah & John, for thousands of years, were preaching the relations between God the Creator & the Man the created. Suddenly you cannot introduce a new doctrine & tell people that God has come as man with flesh & blood to save you. No man with little common sense will buy this story & accept it. If you tell somebody-" you have murdered this man? ok, I will take your punishment & you are free".  He will think, something has gone wrong in your head. He will run away from you thinking you may also kill him & shift your punishment on somebody's shoulder. So, you have to rectify &correct your Faith first. Religion is not without logic. If your doctrine does not carry any logic, there is something wrong in it.

Do you think, Muslim only does ritual activities? You are wrong my dear. We have a very strong faith on One God Almighty, we obey all his orders very religiously, we prostrate to Him 5 times daily, we fast one month continually, we give compulsory charity, our daily life is also controlled by the guidance of Allah, foods & drinks are also controlled, even the clothing also have a standard. And this is for everybody. Not that only the priest will obey this & other people is free to do anything. It is not that only the Nuns will keep their heads covered & other women can move around half-naked.. In Islam, we all are equal & rules are same for everybody.

If you are serious, you can find out the truth from your own book like many other people who has got the light & truth. Certainly you need the help of God Almighty.

At 10:11 AM 8/8/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You asked if I could tell the difference between a Christian and an Muslim. Yes, I can.

You also said this about me: "So, you are just one-eyed; cannot judge from a neutral point of view.

The reason this is true is because the TRUTH is single. I do not entertain the religion of Evolution either. Why?Because it is false.This is what Jesus said about my "one-eye".....

The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when [thine eye] is evil, thy body also [is] full of darkness. - Luk 11:34 KJV

Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. - Luk 11:35 KJV

If thy whole body therefore [be] full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light. - Luk 11:36 KJV

You see, Khalil. I have been born again of the Spirit of God. That's why I speak from a place of authority. I do nottry to intimidate or coerce you through force.I simply believed what God said and He proved Himself true.God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

To answer your question: the difference between Christian and Muslim is this: One has been born again and one has not. But, don't be mistaken. Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't mean theyare one. You can act like a Christian, you can even believe like a Christian, but if you are not born of God, youare not a Christian.....and it's not mine to judge. It's up to God.

I don't judge whether someone is a Christian or not. I do believe I can tell if they are by what they say and do, but realistically I cannot know for sure. I can only be sure that I am one of His, for I know Him who is from the beginning. He has come and made His home in me and He is transforming me every day from glory to glory into the imageof His Son Jesus Christ.

Interesting difference between the Bible and the Qur'an......

The bible was written by approximately 40 authors over a three thousand year period of time on from many different countries, all who were used by God to produce His word. The Bible contains stories mostly, with Historical accounts of actual events, books of poetry and wisdom, personal letters written by men of God written to others.  The Qur'an was written by one man at one time and is a book mostly of direct commands. It is like a Constitution of a nation. It is nothing like the Bible. This difference itself is very important, for if it truly were an extension of His Word, it should be more like the Bible. Instead, it's like someone wrote a book and used the Bible to quote from so they could set up a religion on their own.

Sure, i understand that Mohammed was a person who could not read or write (supposedly), so that makes me think that the angel who appeared to him in the cave was none other than what the Bible calls an 'angel of light',(messenger of Satan himself). The angel grabbed Mohammed by the throat and commanded him to write. Does this sound like the way God spoke to Moses?

Only One is Truth. He is Jesus. God LOVES mankind. God LOVES you. God IS love. It is His very nature. He declares Himself as "Father".Jesus taught us to pray. He said 'when you pray, pray after this pattern' "Our FATHER, who art in heaven, HOLY is your name. THY kingdom come, THY will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day, our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."

Jesus reveals the Father to us. His good news is this: "For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life".

I hope you accept Him. Your religion offers you nothing compared to Him. You have only self-motivated, self-generated efforts. Aren't they wearing you out? True Godliness doesn't come from our efforts. True Godliness comes from God. True submission to God is to believe Him. He send His Son and He said "This is my beloved Son, HEAR HIM".

KHALILUR RAHMAN

"Our FATHER, who art in heaven, HOLY is your name. THY kingdom come, THY will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day, our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."

Nothing is wrong with this prayer. We do the similar type of prayer. Jews also does the similar type of prayers. Abraham, Moses, David also taught us similar type of prayer. Problem is when you put Jesus in place of FATHER. When you say- "Jesus, give me this thing; Jesus, give me that thing; Jesus, forgive me & save me from temptation."  You are making Jesus equal to God. This is not correct. Jesus did not teach you to pray to Jesus.. He taught you to pray to the FATHER in heaven only.

Note the words " Our FATHER, who art in heaven". In your prayer, you are proclaiming that your FATHER is living in heaven. Then how you can claim that God ( FATHER ) has taken abode in you?

Certainly, the style of Qur'an is not similar to Old or New Testament. These Books were written by the History writers employed in the Court of Kings. So, they look like a history book, written chronologically about the kings & prophets coming over the ages. Qur'an is not a History book. It is revealed from God over a period of 23 years’ time bit by bit .  The language of Qur'an also is determined by God Himself & nobody can change it, even a dot. The story of other prophets & kings has come in Qur'an as reference & example. It is also described how other nations & tribes like Jews & Christians are misguided & lost the true path of God.

Truth is single. That is why there is a chance to miss it altogether. You have to be very careful to find out which one is truth..

Can you please tell me, why marriage is prohibited for Fathers & Nuns working in the Church? What is the Biblical support behind it?

At 11:48 AM 8/9/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalil,

There is no Biblical basis for Nuns or Fathers in the Catholic Church not marrying.In fact, in his letter to Timothy, Paul the Apostle, under the leading of the Holy Spirit, said this aboutthis unbiblical teaching of forbidding to marry:

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. - 1Ti 4: 1-3 KJV

Notice that this scripture says the people who are forbidding to marry will  be doing so because of  'having their conscience seared with a hot iron"....Interesting, what do you suppose he means by this? What is the result of them having their conscience seared? What arethe Spiritual implications here? Can you see anything that God is telling us through this passage?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

This will happen very frequently if you rely on your holy spirit to guide you. Each person will get different types of inspirations & guidance from his spirit for same problem. You will never know whether this inspiration is coming from Holy Spirit or from devil. This is one of the reasons why so many doctrines are developed in Christianity.

What I understand from your previous mails that you do not have any clear ideas what will happen with this world at the end. Qur'an & Hadith give a very complete & clear picture about it. Qur'an says in Surah 21:104- " The day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books; even as We produced the first Creation, so  shall We produce a new one. a promise We have undertaken; truly shall We fulfill it".  There are many other verses in Qur'an which tells us about the destruction of this universe. After 2nd coming of Jesus, the whole world will become the kingdom of God & it will be ruled by righteous Caliphs. But gradually ( after 1000 years as per Bible) the people will become wicked again. At one stage, almost 100% people of this world will lose faith on God. There are many other signs which will appear  during this time to show that the world is approaching to its end. The most prominent one is that the rotation of earth will be stopped for few days & then it will rotate in opposite direction, resulting the sun will rise from west. After few days it will become normal again. Scientist say, it will happen due to the opposite attraction of a big planet passing close enough to earth. After this period, the final day of this universe will come close. With  the sound of Arc Angel Israfil, the whole universe will collapse like carded wool. All will die except Almighty Allah swt. After many years, God will create this universe again in the same way He did first time & the people will assemble on a new earth to face the judgment.

This is in short the story of destruction of this universe. However, you may point out if there is some deviation from your Bible.

At 09:52 AM 8/10/2012, you wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

To end our last thread of thought. Because of the new birth, one CAN know the voice of God. Jesus said "my sheephear my voice". The various wrong doctrines you hear are indeed from false spirits or the mind of man, but relianceon the Holy Spirit is exactly what Jesus taught in John 15. I know Him, therefore I know the Truth. It's not my wisdom,it's His Word.

As for the end of the world, thank you for sharing what the Qur'an and Hadiths teach. It is very interesting, because it's verysimilar to what the Bible taught (which, remember, was written 500+ years EARLIER than the Qur'an, so it's easy to seewhere the ideas come from.)

Here's what God reveals to us through John in the Book of Revelation about the 1000 years that you mentioned:

He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is [the] Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; - Rev 20:2 NKJV

and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. - Rev 20:3 NKJV

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. - Rev 20:4 NKJV

But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. - Rev 20:5 NKJV

Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. - Rev 20:6 NKJV

Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison - Rev 20:7 NKJV

The part I underlined here is so I can bring up a very important thought to me regarding the differences between Islam and true, Biblical Christian teaching:  Can you think of any group of people who makes it a current practice to cut the heads off other people? Of course, I am referring to a teaching in the Qur'an which is NOT taught in the Bible. In fact, Jesus taught instead of fighting for God, His disciples would be like sheep fed to wolves.. He said His kingdom was not of this world, or else His disciples would fight! So, if Islam is the fulfillment of Christianity, why do the disciples of Mohammed fight? Shouldn't they be following Jesus, who said 'no greater love has any man, than he lay DOWN his life for his friend"?

I will paste here a verse or two from the Qur'an about beheading and I have put below a website I found that someone put outthat has a lot of information on this.

I write this because it is truly disturbing to me that the 'religion of peace' seems to be somehow connected with the end daysbeheading of many Christians as revealed in the Book of Revelation Chapter 20 verse 4, who refused to take the mark of the Beast. Could it be that the mark of the beast is related with the coming 12th Imam and the religion of this coming world ruler is actually Islam?

From the Qur'an:

5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

Please, give me your thoughts on these very serious matters. Thank you.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I am still confused what your Bible say about the destruction of whole universe. It is not clear from your statement also. Do you also believe that the whole Universe will be destroyed before the Day of Judgment?

Your concern is why Islam introduced beheading as capital punishment? Islam did not introduce it. From the beginning of civilization, capital punishment was being executed by beheading. I have read your article you referred for. I am quoting from it--"Beheading of the criminals with a sword or axe was a common practice by all ancient civilizations for thousands of years. Beheading was widely used in Europe, Asia and Africa (Muslim and non-Muslim alike) until the very early 20th century, and only recently entire civilized world have abandoned this ancient cruel practice of capital punishment."

In those days, capital punishment was carried out by:

1. Feeding Poison ( in the case of Socrates ).

2. Crucifixion

3. Stoning to death

4. Beheading

Islam had to choose one of them as the method of execution. Now tell me, which one is less cruel out of these four? I feel, beheading is least cruel & least painful method which was chosen by Islam.

In modern days, the following methods are used to execute capital punishment:

1. Firing Squad

2. Hanged to death

3. Electrocuted on Electric Chair.

4. Injection of lethal drugs.

Can you tell me which one is less cruel & less painful? Different countries have adopted different methods. Saudi Arab & some other countries are still using the method of beheading. They think it to be a better method.

You asked why Islam teaches fighting. Jesus & Bible does not teach fighting. You are wrong that Bible does not teach fighting. Old Testament is full of description of wars. Those fighting were more cruel than the wars of Islam. They used to kill and destroy each & everything of the enemy including their cattle & foodstuff. There was no system of captives. Everybody of enemy is to be killed. Islam first time introduced the taking of captives who may be set free on ransom. Islam put restrictions on killing of children, women & old; No destruction of crops & trees & other properties. You may say, New Testament does not have fighting & Jesus did not teach us fighting. If you say so, I would tell you that you only read Bible, but do not try to understand it. Read the whole chapters of Revelation & tell me why Jesus is coming back again? What is his mission? Jesus will come back & conduct the Great War of Armageddon which will be the most severe war the history of mankind has ever seen. As per Bible, two third of Jews will be eliminated & thousands other Anti-Christ people will be killed in that war. So many people will be killed that the birds will have feast on their flesh.

If fighting is not allowed in Christianity, then why the Christian nations are fighting all over the world? They had fought two great World Wars; they fought in Korea & Vietnam; Now they are fighting in Iraq & Afghanistan. Very soon, they are going to attack Iran as well. They are Christian, but not listening to Jesus. And very interestingly, they are doing all these fighting in collaboration with the Jews Nation who are proved & confirmed to be ANTI-CHRIST.

At 11:30 AM 8/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

No, my concern was simply that God happens to say that there are people crying out from beneath His throne asking when their blood shall be avenged because they were BEHEADED because they refused to take the mark of the beast and it is the religion of Islam that I believe to be a religion of Anti-Christ who already practice beheading those who disagree with their prophet Mohammed and the Qur'an and it is condoned by their own teachings. So, I expect that when the 12th Imam arises or the new Caliphate ( which was killed in the early 20th centuathabaskan from the dead, that they will kill all who refuse to submit to Islam, thinking they are doing the will of God, and that this will be the Mark of the Beast that the Bible talks about. Those who do not submit (doesn't Muslim mean to submit?), will be beheaded. Am I wrong?

Does Islam teach Muslims to kill infidels? Or is that just a group of radical Muslims who believe such things?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Whatever you are telling about 12th Imams & a new Caliphate does not have any basis from Qur'an & Hadith. I do not know from where you are getting this information. This is wrong information. The next Caliphate will be formed when Jesus comes back again.

How you can say that Islam is the Beast of Bible? It shows that you did not understand Bible. Revelation says very clearly that the Beast is coming from across the ocean & attacking Middle Eastern area to catch & kill the mother & son who was born in Middle Eastern area.  Islam does not come from across the ocean. It is your Christian Nations who comes from across the ocean & attack Middle East. Now you verily understand who Beast & Anti-Christ is.

At 05:08 AM 8/13/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Wow, very interesting how different our perspectives are! You are right about my idea of the beast, etc. I do not get it from the Bible. I read it in a  book by a guy named WalidShoebot, whose father is a leader in Hamas.Walid was born again years ago and has formulated some ideas on who he thinks the beast might be. I cannot say that he is right, but he does have some interesting ideas.

Where in the Bible does it say that the beast comes from the west and attacks the Middle East?

Where did you get these ideas? I'm very interested.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I did not say that the Beast is coming from the west. I said the Beast is coming from across the ocean. Your Bible says, the Beast rises from the sea. Read the verse as below.

Rev 13:1-2  I saw a Beast  rising from the sea. It had ten horns & seven heads. Each horns is crowned, each head inscribed with blasphemous name.

Rev 12:13-17  The Dragon tried to catch that woman, but could not. The Dragon raged at the woman, then went to make war with the rest of her children who keep Gods command & give witness about Jesus. & then the Dragon waited on the shore of sea.

Both the Beast & Dragon coming out of the sea. Islam does not rise from the sea. So, as per your Bible, Islam cannot be the Beast as you think. Prediction of Nostradamus also shows that the Dragon is USA.. And in my previous mails, I have shown that Israel bears the number 666 as per Arabic/Hebrew Numerology.

At 10:19 AM 8/15/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You know, I really want to talk to you about the beast, the mark, et al. But I find it to be. Difficult because your frame of reference is so anti-biblical authority, yet you quote from it. Your obsession with the Jews being anti-Christ really skews your ability to see.

I must reiterate that the Bible is clear.....the spirit of anti-Christ is that which denied Jesus Christ as being the Son of God, which, you also do, just as much as the Jews.

I actually know the living God and am here to tell you that He has sent me as His representative to you. If you actually want to learn of Him, i am happy to help.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Jesus is son of God in the sense that all believers are son of God. Bible says--John    1:12  -“ Who so ever have faith on Jesus, he is the son of God”. So, anybody may be called the son of God if he believes Jesus. The same way Jesus is also son of God. Jesus does not carry the seeds of God as you believe. But he is carrying the seed of Abraham & David as told by Bible.

2 John     1:7  - "They are Anti-Christ (Dajjal) who does not believe that Jesus came as a man".  So, Bible is very clear who are Anti-Christ. You have to believe that Jesus is a man. If you believe that he is a God, you are Anti-Christ.

At 11:46 AM 8/16/2012, you wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

In the Gospels, there is a story told of when Jesus took 3 of His disciples onto a mountain to pray.As they were there, a bright cloud overshadowed the area and Jesus and His clothes began to shine brighterthan anything the disciples could explain. They said it was whiter than any bleach could get clothes, Jesus wasglowing with light and as He was there, 2 people appeared to Him, it was Moses and Elijah. Peter, one of the Disciples said "Lord it's a good thing we are here! We will build you each a tent, one for you, onefor Elijah and one for Moses!".

And the Father Spoke from Heaven and said "This is my beloved Son, HEAR HIM" (I believe He was saying "Listen to Him")

Now, I don't know if the priest you are speaking about is referring to this event, or if he believes that when God sends Histwo witnesses in the last days of earth (during the tribulation times), that he believes that the two will be Moses and Elijah.

I have heard people say that, and they well could be correct, but the Bible does not say for sure that's whose coming, so I cannot.

I can tell you that two witnesses WILL be sent from God. They will be given the power to prevent rain and to call down fire from heaven. The people on earth, the great leaders, will kill them and leave them dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days.

When will this happen? I do not know when. It is interesting that after the men are dead, people will be giving each other giftsto celebrate, which makes me wonder if it will be around Christmas time when a lot of people already give each other gifts, butwho knows?

I can tell you that after 3 days, God will raise them from the dead and they will ascend into heaven.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

This story of Gospel about Moses & Elijah occurred during the life time of Jesus. Two witnesses  mentioned in Rev-11 are not also Moses & Elijah. So, it is a made up story; a story like Jesus visited the Hell & preached Gospel to the dead people. But, I could not find out what is the intention behind this story.

The two witnesses will be killed & their dead body will lie on the street for 3 days. Then they will become alive & ascend to heaven.  This story is just like the story of Jesus who became alive after 3 days. So, you have another two persons who as divine as Jesus. Do you want to call them also God?

At 05:44 AM 8/18/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

The two witnesses in Revelation are not identified, however, Jesus does say in the Gospel that Elijah was 'to come', but thenHe also said that John the Baptist was the prophesied coming of Elijah, so it's not clear if He was saying that Elijahwas going to come once more, but I suppose it's possible.

The Son of God, Jesus, was truly born of a Virgin. Not because the father had sex with Mary like a man would with a woman. God simply chose to become part of His creation by becoming a baby, born of a woman. God became flesh in this way. Does thismean He was no longer in heaven? Of course not! He is God and more than able to do all things at all times. It's not like he's limited in any way.

Jesus did not become a god, God became a man. That's really simple, isn't it? Sure, I don't know HOW He could do that, but He is God and I am not, so it's not surprising that I don't understand how He can do what He does.

You say that there are Christians who prove that Jesus was not God come in the flesh. These people are not Christians. If they were, they would know the Truth and the Truth would set them free. Jesus is Lord of all.

This isn't a theological difference between scholars. It's simply the truth verses a lie.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Whatever you are saying in this letter, all are from your own explanation. There is no proof of it.You said-  "God became a man". You show me from anywhere, from Old or New Testament, from Torah or Injil, from Veda or Gita or from any scripture of the world where God said  --" I WILL BECOME A MAN".

Messiah is the Title of Jesus given by God. It means 'Anointed One'. Normally the Kings are 'Anointed'. When Jesus comes 2nd time & becomes king, this character of Messiah will be exposed.

Jesus did not go to Cross himself. He was captured & Authority punished him to death on Cross after judgment. Jesus shouted--" Elli, Elli; Lama sabaktani--Oh God, Oh  God, why did you left me?"

At 07:01 AM 8/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Words and their meanings are important, wouldn't you agree?

The term Messiah isn't just a 'title' it has a meaning behind it. From the English dictionary, it says that the word is from Judaism, and means: the awaited redeemer of the Jews, to be sent by God to free them. In the Bible, Jesus is called the Messiah. So, if He really was the Messiah, how did he redeem the Jews? How did He free them?

You say that Jesus did not go to the cross on His own ."Jesus did not go to Cross himself. He was captured & Authoritypunished him to death on Cross after judgment. Jesus shouted--"Elli, Elli; Lama sabaktani--Oh God, Oh God, why did you left me?""

You are disagreeing with the Bible. Jesus said this about His death:

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

John 10: 17-18Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down myself. I have power to lay it down and I have power to take it again.

Either Jesus IS the Messiah sent from God to save the world from sin or He is an impostor, it can be no other.

Today, if you hear His voice, don't stiffen your neck, but yield to the loving strong arms of your heavenly Father, who gave His Son for you that in Him you might find life and that more abundantly. Let His arms of love enfold you and His Spirit, like a dove will descend upon your life and make you whole.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

If Jesus went to cross willingly, why he shouted --"Elli, Elli; Lama sabaktani--Oh God, Oh God, why did you left me?"".  Explain this.

In Wikipedia & in other dictonaries, the meaning of Messiah is given as 'Anointed One'. It does not have any other meanings.

At 11:19 PM 8/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You asked why Jesus cried out Eli, Eli, Lama sabaktani.......

Two reasons.

1: it was true. The father had crucified His Son, who became sin for us, so that in that hour of judgment, Jesus' fellowship with the father was broken, for in that hour Jesus became sin for us, for it is written 'cursed be anyone who hangs on a tree'. Jesus was cursed that we might be blessed, so in that time of judgment Jesus was alone as a man, forsaken, as was the righteous fulfillment of Gods curse on man’s sin.

2: the bible wasn't written with chapters and verse titles. The way they would refer to the area of the scriptures prior to having titles would be by reciting the first verse of that portion which they were referring to. Knowing this now, go and read Psalm 22. Here you will see a prophetic utterance given through David. It is Jesus on the cross.......So Jesus, on the cross is saying to you....go read Psalm 22!

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Your argument & explanation is fantastic. Only great fools are going to accept this explanation. You are saying, Jesus is very innocent because he does not carry the sinful seeds; you again telling us that he becomes full of sins & cursed when he was on cross; you said Jesus is God & he knows the mind & plans of God; you again telling that Jesus lost connection with God when on cross. I never saw any contradictory statements like these. Please be rational & follow what exactly God & Jesus told you to do. Do not make up all these exciting fables in the name of Christianity.

I have read Psalm-22. It is the prayer of David to God Almighty & does not have any connection with the crucifixion of Jesus.

At 07:05 AM 8/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Forget all other Books. Only the Bible is the Word of God.Of the Bible, do you know which book is the oldest?In this Book is the answer you are looking for.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I asked you that show me where God said --" I WILL BECOME A MAN". I did not find it anywhere. If you know, show me.

The oldest book of the world is Veda &Upanishadh of Hindu.

At 10:57 PM 8/19/2012, you wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Ok, so forget that book, it isn't the word of God. What is thought to be the oldest book of the Bible?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

It is your wishful thought that Bible is the oldest book. But it is not true.  The fact is that the Veda is the oldest scripture. Who said it was not sent by God? It was from God; but now it is very much corrupted.

At 11:04 PM 8/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

So, you don't want to seek God on your own, you want me to spoon feed you things you won't believe anyway? Won't happen.God said if you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. Read the Bible, believe what it says and you will live.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Your attitude showed that this statement is not there at all in Bible. You could not find it out in Bible. So, you are giving this responsibility to me. I again say that God never said that He will become a man. It is not in any scripture of the world. If you believe it, it is your duty to find it out & let me know. If you cannot, I will think that it is another made up story of Christian to misguide the world.

 At 09:32 AM 8/21/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Let's actually look at the Psalm...

22:1 NKJV - To the Chief Musician. Set to "The Deer of the Dawn." A Psalm of David. My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? [Why are You so] far from helping Me, [And from] the words of My groaning?

 This is written in Mark: Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

Psa 22:2 NKJV - O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear; And in the night season, and am not silent.Psa 22:3 NKJV - But You [are] holy, Enthroned in the praises of Israel’s 22:4 NKJV - Our fathers trusted in You; They trusted, and You delivered them.Psa 22:5 NKJV - They cried to You, and were delivered; They trusted in You, and were not ashamed.Psa 22:6 NKJV - But I [am] a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised by the people.

Psa 22:9 NKJV - But You [are] He who took Me out of the womb; You made Me trust [while] on My mother's breasts.Psa 22:10 NKJV - I was cast upon You from birth. From My mother's womb You [have been] My God.Psa 22:11 NKJV - Be not far from Me, For trouble [is] near; For [there is] none to help.

Psa 22:12 NKJV - Many bulls have surrounded Me; Strong [bulls] of Bashan have encircled Me.Psa 22:13 NKJV - They gape at Me [with] their mouths, [Like] a raging and roaring lion.Psa 22:14 NKJV - I am poured out like water, And all My bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me.

Psa 22:15 NKJV - My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And My tongue clings to My jaws; You have brought Me to the dust of death.

Psa 22:17 NKJV - I can count all My bones. They look [and] stare at Me.Psa 22:18 NKJV - They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.

Matthew 27:35 Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: "They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots."

As you can see, God declares through Matthew that what happened on the Cross was FORETOLD through the Prophet DAVID, here in Psalm 22.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I agree that the prayer of David may  give a future picture which will happen to Jesus on cross. It may happen that Jesus was chanting the same prayer of David when he was on cross.. But what is the lesson you get from this? Lesson is, Jesus was also a man like David; he prayed to God in the same language of David when he was on cross; he asked help from God when he was in problem.  It also shows that Jesus is not a God himself.. So, we have to pray to God all the time; not to Jesus & that is the lesson given by Jesus.

At 09:50 AM 8/21/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

First, there is only the Bible that is the Word of God, so forget all the other books. The fact that you keep naming other books shows me that you have no idea who God really is. You think Him to be some ethereal being up far away in a place far removed from us, when in reality, He is everywhere at all times and the heavens cannot contain Him. He is totally separate from His creation and He is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

Why is it necessary for you to believe that God became a man anyway? It's completely irrelevant to the message of Salvation.

Sure, it's totally true that God did become a man, but Jesus didn't say it was necessary for you to believe that in order to be saved.

He said it was necessary for you to believe in Him. If you start there, then you will see the truth. If you don't, then you won't!

Isn't that the truth? Jesus said in Luke 12:8-10"Also I say to you, whoever confesses Me before men, him the Son of Man also will confess before the angels of God. "But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God. "And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven. By saying that Jesus is not the One who died for our sins, you are denying Him. By saying that He was just another prophet from God, you are denying Him. But MOST OF ALL< YOU ARE FIGHTING THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHO IS TRYING TO SAVE YOU!

The reason that 'him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit' will not be forgiven, is because the work of the Spirit is to lead us to repentance. To lead us to Jesus. If we resist His work, then we are condemning ourselves to hell forever, for sin MUST be paid for. It cannot be overlooked. God is Holy and He has paid the way for all men's sins to be forgiven. There is no other way.

 You are still looking for a specific verse from God, where He said "I will become a man". I cannot say that God said it just like that, but I can show you that He did foretell and foreshadow that He would in many places in the Torah. If you are truly open to hearing, then ask again and I will help you. If you are just looking to disprove it, then I will not waste my time. I don't need you to be saved, YOU need to be saved. I have the words of eternal life. It is my joy to give them to you, but I will not cast my pearls before swine who will trample them under foot and turn and attack me. It's a waste of my precious time, and yours.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

I said that your statement 'God did become a man' is  a FALSE statement in toto. No where& never God said so. No Messengers,  no prophets including Jesus have ever said like this. It is a total false & fabricated story made by some wicked people inspired by Devil. If you are true, show me your proof.

At 09:52 AM 8/21/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

Well, ok. I haven't read the Veda. I do, however, KNOW the Creator of Heaven and Earth, and He has never told me thatthe Veda is from Him, so I don't think it is. The Bible IS from God and I know this because I know the author. If the Veda does not preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified as savior of the world, then it is not the truth.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

You are so blind by the Spirit of Devil that you cannot see the logic & truth; you are also afraid of facing others or consulting other religions. But remember, God is not only your creator. He has equally created Indians, Chinese,  Japanese& Negroes. Do not think that He did not send any guidance to them. God cannot do any injustice to anybody like this. Qur'an says--every nations, race, tribes & languages of this world had received the Messengers from God. He is most kind & merciful.

At 09:52 AM 8/21/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalil

You are mistaken, I have only great love for all others, and I agree, God has spokento the entire world! He has been reaching out to all mankind from the beginning,however, all religions that do not lead people to the saving knowledge of JesusChrist, are not of God.

Jesus said this: Jhn 10:7 NKJV - Then Jesus said to them again, Mostassuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.   Jhn 10:8 NKJV - ;All who[ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.   

So, now, what do you think about Jesus? Is He narrow minded and blinded by thedevil? No. He is Truth itself. Just because I reject all others does not mean I amwrong!  

The VAST majority of people ever created are headed to eternal fire. NOT because oftheir government, or their lifestyles, but because they are DEAD in their trespasses and sins.      

 RELIGION teaches people that they can do something to help their sad estate, bydoing good deeds or fasting, or being pious, but the reality is that, just as Jesus  said, they MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

Gen. 3:15 And I will put enmity Between youand the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, Andyou shall bruise His heel.

Isaiah 44:6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, theLORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] noGod. 

Khalil, tell me, WHO IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST? Would you say that the first andthe last is the Creator of all things?  Yes or no?

KHALILUR RAHMAN

All religions do not talk about Jesus. But all of them talk about the coming of last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) & Instructed people to follow him.

Jesus said this: Jhn 10:7 NKJV - Then Jesus said to them again, ;Mostassuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. You are correct. Jesus is the door of the sheep of Israel; NOT FOR OTHERS. Jesus said in other verses that he has come only for the sheep of Israel.

Jhn 10:8 NKJV - ;All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. What you mean by this? Abraham, Moses & David are thieves? They came before Jesus. Please explain.

Jesus is not blinded or inspired by Devil. It is you people who are giving wrong interpretation of His sayings. You are blinded & caught by the spirit of Devil.

Surely you did not proof anything what so ever. You are trying to quote the verses which are not relevant at all. You have ignored all the verses which I quoted & could not explain them. You could not tell me where God said that He will become a man; you  could not show me where God said that Jesus is also God; you could not show me where Jesus said that He is God. But you said in your last mail that Jesus was full of sins, cursed & lost all connections with God when he was on cross. Naujubillah&Astaghfirullah.

Isaiah 44:6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, theLORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] noGod’… This verse you have quoted is so simple & clear that even a fool will understand. Here God himself is proclaiming that He is the Only God & there is no God besides Him; He is the First & Last. If you say that Jesus is God, you are speaking against this verse & certainly devil is overriding you. You will be punished for that.

At 08:58 AM 8/24/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You wrote: Jhn 10: 8 NKJV - ;All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers,

but the sheep did not hear them. What you mean by this? Abraham, Moses &

David are thieves? They came before Jesus. Please explain.

First,  you are asking me to explain what Jesus meant, I'll do my best, but remember, I am not making this up. Jesus said this.

 I take Him at His word and I don't question that He is right. But, to answer your query about "Abraham, Moses and David being thieves"...Well let's look at this: Abraham lied to Pharaoh about his wife and the Pharaoh almost slept with her, so he is a liar, yes. David murdered Uriah, after committing adultery with his wife, so he stole a mans wife and then killed him, so David is a liar, thief and murder. Moses killed an Egyptian who was beating a Jew, so he is a murderer. 

Jesus NEVER committed sin.

Did you realize this? That Jesus was COMPLETELY sinless? HE NEVER SINNED.

This fact alone separates Him from every other person who has ever lived.

This fact also enables Him to be able to pay the price for the sins of others. Since He didn't deserve to die (because He never sinned), when He died, He paid the price for those who have (that's EVERYONE).

You also wrote:Isaiah 44: 6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, theLORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [thereis] noGod... This verse you have quoted is so simple & clear that even a fool willunderstand. Here God himself is proclaiming that He is the Only God &there is no God besides Him; He is the First & Last. If you say that Jesusis God, you are speaking against this verse & certainly devil isoverriding you. You will be punished for that.

OK, so,  you admit that ONLY GOD is the 'First and Last'. I agree 100%.

That's the point of this entire verse. Jehovah says "I am the first and last, besides Me there is not God". But look at the sentencebefore that.  He says "Thus says Jehovah,, the King of Israel AND HIS REDEEMER, JEHOVAH OF HOSTS"......

WHO is "HIS REDEEMER"? Jesus IS the redeemer.

Look at what Jesus said about Himself:

Mat 26:26 -28 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke [it], and gave [it] to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is My body. Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Rev 1:17 -18  And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. "I [am] He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Rev 2:8  "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, 'These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:

So, as you can see. HERE God said He became flesh! This is the scripture you are looking for!

Jehovah revealed in Isaiah that He is the First and the Last, then He revealed in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, that JESUS is the same person as Jehovah! HE IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST!

KHALILUR RAHMAN

Jesus never told a lie. It is you people who did make all the changes during different stages of translations & interpretations of Bible to make it suitable to support your doctrine. That is the reason why many verses of New Testament contradict the verses of Old Testament. I will give you a very simple example as below.

Old Testament says-- Isaiah 44: 6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, theLORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] no God...

New Testament says-- Jesus said-'I am the First & Last'

Here God claiming that He is the First & Last; again Jesus is claiming he is the first & last. We know from our previous discussion that Jesus never claimed to be a God. Then why this contradictory statement he has made? Fact is that Jesus never made this type of contradictory statement. The original statement was--- Jesus said- “Lord said, 'I am the First & Last'. Somebody has dropped the words 'Lord Said' and now it became 'Jesus said- I am the first & last.' Thus the meaning of this statement has totally changed; attributes of God is put to Jesus which is not correct at all. This type of statements is many in New Testament where manipulations are made to suit the doctrines.

Abraham, Moses & David were never thieves & robbers. Sometimes they did some mistakes; but they bent down to God & repented. God has excused them & purified them. Most of the sheep of Israel did listen to them. On the other hand, very few sheep of Israel did follow Jesus. Who claims to be the Christians today, they are the Pagans of Europe. So, your explanation is not correct at all. If you talk about a sinless man, John, the Baptist was a real sinless prophet. He was filled up with the Holy Spirit when he was in the womb of mother. He was unmarried & never committed any sin. Qur'an also praises him to be very innocent. He was also killed by Jews unrighteously.

My observation is that the Old Testament is more clear, straightforward, direct & having less contradictions compared to New Testament. Gospels are full of confusions & contradictions. It is very difficult to find out the real truth from it.

Isaiah 44: 6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] no God...

Only this single verse from Old Testament is sufficient to express the ONENESS of God. Anybody who believes & works on this single verse will certainly receive the mercy of God. This verse is so important, clear & expressive that it does not need any explanation. There is no other God besides Him. No idols are God, no angels are God, no humane is God. David is not God, Moses is not God, Jesus is not God, and Mohammad is not God. There is no God besides Him. So unique verse, very small verse, but so powerful&valuable. Qur'an also contains several verses similar to this.So, we must worship this ONE God. Anybody violating this, must be ruined & cursed.

At 11:01 PM 8/25/2012, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Khalilur,

You pick and choose which verses of the new testament are accurate and true, do there's no point in continuing thus discussion.

You have rejected His ambassador, therefore, you reject Him.

If you ever want to know Him, feel free to write,

Farewell.

KHALILUR RAHMAN

It is really unfortunate that whenever you cannot explain or cannot justify my quarries with logic, you try to withdraw yourself & give me farewell in the plea that I do not accept Bible. But my all quotations are from Bible. If you cannot accept a part of Bible or if some part of Bible goes against your doctrine, why don't you declare those portion as false ? You have already modified Bible several times in the past in the conference of your Christian scholars. Why don't you ask for another conference & throw out all these verses which do not go with your doctrine?

 

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