Dialogue with a priest
PART-4
When I challenged Mr Donald that he wants to withdraw from this discussion because it is not possible for him to satisfy my quires, he started communication again. I thought, I should include this also in my book as PART-4. I hope this will be liked by my readers.
At 09:02 AM 9/1/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Isaiah 44:6 is absolutely true. So isRevelation 1:17. You cannot believe one and reject the other.You must decide.Are you a believer in Jesus, the Son of God, or are youone who rejects Him?There is no other way.I ask you once again, why don't you know God personally? Why doesn’t He speak to you?It is because you are not born again. You are NOT a child of God!
This is what Jesus said:"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: - Jhn 1:12 NKJV. Jesus was being emphatic here.......if you do not trust in, rely upon/cling to His authority as the Son of God, YOU CANNOT BECOME A CHILD OF GOD.
My destiny is secure. I am going to heaven, BECAUSE I AM ALREADY THERE. That is, I am now a child of God and as such, I am a citizen of Heaven, no matterwhere I am. He is my Father, and I am His adopted son. He chose me in Christ to be His. I love Him and He loves me.
He loves you too and wishes for you too, to be born of Him....not by your own ability, but by simply accepting His free gift of Love, paid for on the Cross by His Onlybegotten Son. It wasn't cheap! It was the most precious of all gifts ever given.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
If you believe that Isaiah 44:6 is absolutely true, you must reject the concept of all other gods; there is no other gods besides Him & He is the last & first. Any other concept other than this is totally wrong & false. So, come back to ONE & ONLY Supreme God; otherwise you will be ruined.
You always say-- know God personally & speak to Him. This very concept is wrong. If it would be possible to meet & talk to God personally, God would not have sent thousands of His Prophets & Messengers to guide mankind. There would not have been the requirement of David & Jesus to come to this earth. God directly would have talked to each person & guide them. If you claim that you see & talk to God every day, it is not God, but the Devil who is misguiding you. In my previous mails I have quoted from Bible to support this.
You said you are already now in Heaven. If you call your place a heaven, then certainly you do not know what heaven is. I do not want a heaven like this. If you want the real description of Heaven, please read Qur'an & you will get the details.
I tell you again, I do not want to become a child of God; I try to become a true slave of God Almighty. May Allah swt accept me as His slave.
In one of your previous letter you said--" You keep calling me 'Pauline'. Paul was a great Apostle. God used Him to write over half of the New Testament Scriptures. Your rejection of his writings is not a rejection of him alone, but of God Himself".
Jesus sent 12 Apostles around the places to teach the people of Israel. They were also authorized to do miracles on behalf of Jesus. Names of these 12 Apostles are clearly mentioned in Bible. Paul is not there among these Apostles. Surprisingly, Paul never met Jesus during his life time. How can you claim that Paul was an Apostle & God used him to write half of the Bible? Whatever Paul wrote was from his own mind. Show me a single statement in Gospel where Jesus made Paul his Apostle & authorized him to do miracles on behalf of Jesus. Moreover, whatever Paul introduced goes against the teachings of Gospel which I have proved from Bible in my previous mails.
I say again, show me a single verse in Gospel where Jesus appointed Paul as Apostle.
At 09:18 AM 9/2/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Before Christ, God spoke to man through prophets and judges. Today, He has given us, through the death and resurrection of His Son Jesus, the Holy Spirit, to those who accept the free gift of eternal life.
Yes, I KNOW GOD and yes, GOD SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO ME.
YOU CAN TOO!
Here's the Scripture the Lord gave me this morning. He does this almost every day....I read a scripture that deals directly with your questions.This is the Holy Spirit fulfilling His purpose...bringing to mind all the things that Jesus said....
You said in the past that Jesus was killed, and it was not God's plan for that, but evil men did this to Him.This is what Jesus says about that....do you agree or disagree with Jesus?I am only putting a small portion of this chapter here. You should really read this chapter, all of it, an let it sink in exactly what's going on here....it really says it all......
Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil. - Jhn 12:3 NKJV
But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], who would betray Him, said, - Jhn 12:4 NKJV
"Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" - Jhn 12:5 NKJV Giving to the poor IS a good thing to do, after all!?
This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. - Jhn 12:6 NKJV
But Jesus said, "Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. - Jhn 12:7 NKJV Jesus KNEW He was about to be killed.
"For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always." - Jhn 12:8 NKJV What! Jesus is making Himself more important than a poor person! (Yes indeed, He is.)
Now a great many of the Jews knew that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He had raised from the dead. - Jhn 12:9 NKJV
But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also, - Jhn 12:10 NKJV
because on account of him many of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus. - Jhn 12:11 NKJV
But Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. - Jhn 12:23 NKJV Jesus knew He was about to die.
"Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. - Jhn 12:24 NKJV
"He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. - Jhn 12:25 NKJV
"If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him [My] Father will honor. - Jhn 12:26 NKJV Jesus said, if you don't follow and honor Him, you are not honoring God.
"Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. - Jhn 12:27 NKJV
"Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came from heaven, [saying], "I have both glorified [it] and will glorify [it] again." - Jhn 12:28 NKJV God spoke from Heaven (the Father) and confirmed that Jesus was the One we should listen to.
Therefore the people who stood by and heard [it] said that it had thundered. Others said, "An angel has spoken to Him." - Jhn 12:29 NKJV
Jesus answered and said, "This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. - Jhn 12:30 NKJV God spoke from Heaven (the Father) and confirmed that Jesus was the One we should listen to.
"Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. - Jhn 12:31 NKJV Did you get what Jesus said here? NOW (at His death) is the judgment of this world (and) the rule of this world (the devil) will be cast out.
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all [peoples] to Myself." - Jhn 12:32 NKJV Lifted up means CRUCIFIED. The Romans CRUCIFIED JESUS and as a result, ALL PEOPLES are drawn to Jesus (He didn't come only for the Jews).
This He said, signifying by what death He would die. - Jhn 12:33 NKJV Again, Jesus KNEW HE WOULD DIE.
How can you say that Jesus did not die for the sins of the world? HE SAID HE CAME TO DO EXACTLY THAT.You have NEVER shown any scriptures to back up your assertions. You simply ignore the scriptures that don't agree with your religion and use ones, taken out of context, to try and support your position.So, let's do this once again, only this time, I'll use your tactics..... (I have answered most if not every one of you assertions and questions, regardless of you saying that I have not, I KNOW I have. I have spent HOURS looking up scriptures to send to you, only to have you ignore them entirely and spit back the same dogma you always do [for example, you totally ignored my last email about Jesus being the first and the last andjust responded 'that can't be, you must come back to the one and only God or you will be ruined". ] This is NOT a reasoned response. This is just someone saying the same thing over and over hoping that it's true. It's not. The Truth is, the Bible is the Word of God and you can KNOW God through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. When you truly do this, you will be born again, and the Bible won't just be a book to you anymore, it will be the Word of God, it will be LIFE to you, for it is the Bread from Heaven.
So, I ask you , as you have asked me:
YOU show ME, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that Jesus did NOT die for the sins of the world by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that Jesus is only a prophet by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that Mohammed is a prophet of God, by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that the Koran is the Word of God, by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, by using the Bible, how YOU can be saved by keeping ceremonial laws and by fasting and by prayer.
I await your reasoned and scholarly response.Anything less will be round filed.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Whatever you have quoted in this letter are mostly irrelevant. They do not speak clearly about your believes. So, you had to explain it again with your own language at the end of each verse. You have asked 6 question at the end of your letter. I will reply all these questions from your Bible by quoting only one verse for each question.
YOU show ME, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God by using the Bible....Jesus called himself as the Son of Man. "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. - Jhn 12:23 NKJV . In many other places, especially in Luke, he has called himself as the Son of Man. So, he is a man coming out from the womb of a woman.
YOU show ME, that Jesus did NOT die for the sins of the world by using the Bible....Bible says--Jeremiah 31:30. It says- "Each person will pay for his own sin. You eat green apple, you are the one to get sick". It is so clearly mentioned here that nobody can pay for your sin. You have to pay for your own sin. So, Jesus cannot pay for your sin. You will be responsible for your sin. Again in: "(Dt 24:16)--The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." It is very clear that Jesus cannot pay for other's sin.
YOU show ME, that Jesus is only a prophet by using the Bible...Jesus said--John 20:21-23 Jesus told them- “Peace to you. Just as Father sent me, I send you.” He has clearly said here that he is sent by God like other Prophets & Messengers were sent before. He is also the servant of God like other Prophets. He said in John 13:16-17 - Servant is not greater than Master. Here God is the Master & he is his servant. Jesus instructed to worship to only God. Mathew 4:10 -“ Worship the Lord your God, and only him. Serve him with absolute single-heartedness.” There are many other examples like this.
YOU show ME, that Mohammed is a prophet of God, by using the Bible. .John 1:20-21 -People asked John-“Are you Masih, Elijah or that Prophet?” We know that Jesus is Masih, John is Elijah. Now who is that Prophet for whom Jews were waiting for? That Prophet is the last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) for whom Jews were waiting for. Jesus also said a comforter will come & teach you everything. John 4:15-17 - “ I will ask my father to send the Comforter for you to stay with you for ever”.
John 14:24-26 -“This Comforter will teach you everything”.
John 15:26-27 -“This Comforter will give witness for me”.
Details about the Comforter who will come after Jesus is given in John 6:7-15. This Comforter is the Last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). The meaning of Comforter will be more clear if you read the Greek word for Comforter given in Greek Bible.
YOU show ME, that the Koran is the Word of God, by using the Bible... If you believe on Last Prophet, you will believe on Qur'an which was sent by God to him. There are more than 6000 verses in Qur'an dealing with different subjects including science as well. You cannot show a single verse which is contradictory, confusing or wrong. This is the miracle of Qur'an which is everlasting. It certify the Prophet hood of all previous prophets including the miraculous birth of Jesus. It also clarifies the confusions which Jews & Christians are facing. Read it & you will come to know the truth.
YOU show ME, by using the Bible, how YOU can be saved by keeping ceremonial laws and by fasting and by prayer...When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17). The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3). Why did Jesus answer so if he believed in and was part of the Trinity? Why did he not refer to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? So, keep the Commandments & worship ONE GOD. Here lies the salvation.
At 12:08 PM 9/2/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
The book of Acts was written by Luke. The same person who wrote the book of Luke.In the books of Acts you will find your answer.To make it easy on you, here it is......
Act 9:1¶And Saul, yet breathing out threatening and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Act 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutes thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutes: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Act 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Act 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought [him] into Damascus.
Act 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
Act 9:10¶And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I [am here], Lord.
Act 9:11 And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for [one] called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting [his] hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Act 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Act 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, [even] Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Act 9:19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
Act 9:20¶And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Act 9:26¶And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought [him] to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
Here you see Paul ordained by Jesus to go and preach the gospel and to suffer much for the kingdom of God and to be a witness of Jesus to many, including Gentiles.
In Mark, Jesus said that signs would follow those who preached the gospel. Many signs and miracles were done through Paul.
There is no dispute as to his authority as an apostle of Jesus, IF you believe the Bible. If you don't, well, then up you have bigger problems than Paul's standing.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
It is correct that Luke wrote the story of Paul in Acts. But it is a hearsay. Luke was not with Paul when all these happened. He believed the made up story of Paul. Something may happen to Paul & he may accept Jesus in his faith, but it does not make him a disciple of Jesus. Disciples are only those 12 whose names were declared by Jesus during his life time. Visions seen by Paul have many scientific explanations & there are many books on these.
My point is, see the future activities of Paul. All his teachings are against the teachings of Jesus including Trinity. Finally all the disciples of Jesus abandoned him which I have shown you in my previous mails You read Galatians & you will get the details. Paul opposed Jesus during his life time; he also opposed Jesus after his departure in the plea that he accepted Jesus. In fact he has misguided people in the name of Jesus. The soon you understand it, the better.
At 12:23 PM 9/5/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I will now show you what the Bible actually says that is in contradiction to all that your religion teaches you:
1: YOU show ME, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God by using the
Bible....Jesus called himself as the Son of Man. "The hour has come
that the Son of Man should be glorified. - Jhn 12: 23 NKJV . In many
other places, specially in Luke, he has called himself as the Son of
Man. So, he is a man coming out from the womb of a woman.
Jesus, in unequivocal terms, called Himself the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, and to such an extent that He saidthat whoever does not believe in Him, is condemned already:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed inhe name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
The scriptures you quote are taken out of context, just to prove your point. You do not believe the Bible is the Word of God, so don't pretend to know what it says. Oh, and YES, Jesus DID come from the womb of a woman! Mary, the young woman God chose through whom He would become flesh and dwell among us (John 1:14)
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, as of THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, full of grace and truth."
2: YOU show ME, that Jesus did NOT die for the sins of the world by
using the Bible....Bible says--Jeremiah 31: 30. It says- "Each person
will pay for his own sin. You eat green apple, you are the one to
get sick". It is so clearly mentioned here that no body can pay for
your sin. You have to pay for your own sin. So, Jesus can not pay
for your sin. You will be responsible for your sin. Again in: "(Dt
24: 16)--The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every
man shall be put to death for his own sin." It is very clear that
Jesus can not pay for other's sin.
This is what JESUS said about His purpose on earth....it TOTALLY disagrees with what you say the bible teaches. The bible does not contradict itself. You are correct, people pay for their own sins. However, the Bible ALSO teaches that God ordained sacrifices that would cover sins in the old testament and REMOVE sins, in the new.The sacrifice that removes sin in the new testament is ONLY the blood of Jesus.Here's what the Bible actually teaches about sin, God's ability to forgive and where you stand with God, it's not what you claim:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. - 1Jo 1:7 KJV
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - 1Jo 1:8 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - 1Jo 1:9 KJV
Here's what Jesus Himself said about His purpose (to pay for the sins of mankind):
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. - Jhn 3:11 KJV
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things? - Jhn 3:12 KJV
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven. - Jhn 3:13 KJV (Jesus CAME from Heaven, He pre-existed)
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: - Jhn 3:14 KJV (Moses hung a bronze snake on a stick so that the curse of God would be removed from them....Jesus said HE would be lifted up the same way....and for the same purpose.)
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. - Jhn 3:15 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - Jhn 3:16 KJV
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. - Jhn 3:17 KJV
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - Jhn 3:18 KJV
Jesus said the folllowing:
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. - Mat 26:26 KJV
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; - Mat 26:27 KJV
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. - Mat 26:28 KJV
You can only reject what Jesus taught, you cannot argue that the Bible teaches that Jesus did not die for our sins. You can only reject Jesus, it's that simple.
3: YOU show ME, that Jesus is only a prophet by using the Bible...Jesus
said--John 20: 21-23 Jesus told them- "Peace to you. Just as
Father sent me, I send you." He has clearly said here that he is
sent by God like other Prophets & Messengers were sent before. He is
also the servent of God like other Prophets. He said in John
13: 16-17 - Servant is not greater than Master. Here God is the
Master & he is his servent. Jesus instructed to worship to only
God. Mathew 4: 10 -" Worship the Lord your God, and only him.
Serve him with absolute single-heartedness." There are many other
examples like this.
Here you are TELLING me what Jesus meant. You are interpreting what the Bible says, rather than simply believing what it say. Jesus WAS sent by God! That doesn't mean He didn't come from God!
Again Jesus says: " For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. - Jhn 16:27 KJV
I came forth from the Father, and am come in to the world; again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.".Jhn 16:28
Prophets DO NOT COME FORTH FROM THE FATHER, they are men that God sends. Jesus was not a man like any other.
JESUS SAID:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - Jhn 14:6 KJV
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. - Jhn 14:7 KJV
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. - Jhn 14:10 KJV
You either accept or reject Jesus. You cannot say that Bible does not teach that He is God, the Son. He Himself claimed to be of God, from God and that He was NOT just a prophet.
Jesus is worshipped as God in the Book of Revelation:
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. - Rev 5:12 KJV
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. - Rev 5:13 KJV
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. - Rev 5:14 KJV
These beings ascribed the same worth to "He who sat on the throne" as they did to the Lamb! (The word worship MEANS to ascribe worth).
4: YOU show ME, that Mohammed is a prophet of God, by using the Bible.
.John 1: 20-21 -People asked John-"Are you Masih, Elijah or that
Prophet?" We know that Jesus is Masih, John is Elijah. Now who is
that Prophet for whom Jews were wating for? That Prophet is the last
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) for whom Jews were waiting for. Jesus also
said a comforter will come & teach you everything. John 4: 15-17 - "
I will ask my father to send the Comforter for you to stay with you for ever".
John 14: 24-26 -"This Comforter will teach you every thing".
John 15: 26-27 -"This Comforter will give witness for me".
Details about the Comforter who will come after Jesus is given in
John 6: 7-15. This Comforter is the Last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). The
meaning of Comforter will be more clear if you read the Greek word
for Comforter given in Greek Bible.
OK, let's Look at what the Bible ACTUALLY says in John 14....If ye love me, keep my commandments. - Jhn 14:15 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; - Jhn 14:16 KJV
[Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for hedwelleth with you, and shall be in you. - Jhn 14:17 KJV
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. - Jhn 14:18 KJV
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. - Jhn 14:19 KJV
At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. - Jhn 14:20 KJV
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. - Jhn 14:21 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. - Jhn 14:23 KJV
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. - Jhn 14:24 KJV
These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you. - Jhn 14:25 KJV
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. - Jhn 14:26 KJV
There is NO Way that this is talking about a prophet. This is CLEARLY speaking of the Holy Spirit. The only way you can get Mohammed out of this is by reading into the scripture and leaving out the majority of what the text actually says! Just look at vs. 17: How is this the the disciples ALREADY Knew Mohammed? Also, How could it be that "He will be in them'? I don't think so! The Holy Spirit CAN be WITH and IN someone (I know because He now lives in me!:))
Finally, how can you COMPLETLY IGNORE what John 14:26 says: "But the Comforter, [which is] THE HOLY GHOST". (Notice....NOT a prophet, NOT MOHAMMED).
So, finally, you can only believe what you believe by ignoring the actual teaching of the Bible.
Don't rely on your own understanding....acknowledge the Lord Jehovah and allow Him His rightful place AS God in your life. You don't have to understand the Trinity.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
1. Begotten Son of God is nowhere in Bible. Son of God is there; but the word BEGOTTEN is not there in Bible. You refer Greek Bible, you will not find BEGOTTEN in it. People had put BEGOTTEN with a malicious intention in some English translations. But most of the English version also does not have word BEGOTTEN. Indian translation also does not have anything like BEGOTTEN. See this verse below;
John 1:12 "All who believed him & accepted him, they are the God-begotten; not blood-begotten, not flesh begotten, not sex-begotten"
It is clearly mentioned here who are BEGOTTEN.
2. Yes, sacrifice is also required to get rid of sin. But the sacrifice is to be made by the sinner. If you do sin, you have to make your sacrifice by your wealth or blood. Nobody can pay for your sin. Jesus can not pay for your sin.
"(Dt 24: 16)--The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." It is very clear that Jesus can not pay for other's sin.
3. Everybody comes from GOD. You &me have also come from God. We haveRoh in us breathed by God. But the Prophets & Messengers are sent by God with specific missions. That is why we say-'They are sent by God'. Jesus said--He is sent by Father. He is just like other Prophets.
4. Holy Spirit was available in this earth before the birth of Jesus. Holy Spirit came to Mary. John was filled with Holy Spirit when he was in womb of his mother. Jesus received Holy Spirit at the time of baptized. Jesus himself breathed Holy Spirit to his 12 disciples before he went up to God. Then why Jesus is required to request God to send this Holy Spirit again? It is already available here with all his disciples.. So, the comforter/Advocate/ Helper/ Counselor which to be sent after Jesus is NOT Holy Spirit. It is somebody else & He is the last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
So, my dear friend, use your wisdom & understand the truth. Truth is very simple to understand. Use your commonsense & you will get it. If you say that you have already paid for my sin, it will be stupidity on my part to believe you.
At 08:50 AM 9/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You are once again IGNORING the plain reading of Scripture. I send you scriptures that more than demonstrate what the Bible says but you ignore them and then will write back later and say that I never addressed your questions. You are lying to yourself. You are WILLFULLLY rejecting God's word, and in so doing, are calling God a liar. I can't help you ifyou choose to live in darkness. God will NOT force you to come to Him. He can't, for He His nature is love. He loves you very much, not because of what you've done,but because He is your Creator.
Spirit live in your heart? If so, when did that happen? He does live in me. It started when I first believed in Jesus. As a result, I am born of God and now I know God (the God that you say I CANNOT KNOW!) So, by your response, I KNOW YOU DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT LIVING IN YOU. You have admitted that you do not know God, for you said 'it is impossible to know God'.
What do you think? Should we continue on or should we end this dialogue? I really want you to come to know Him, but if you're not interested, what's the point?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
1. You said Monogenos means 'single of its kind or only'. Yes, the miraculous birth of Jesus is the only of this kind; it is unique. Only Adam& Eve was born without father & mother. In that sense you can term it as Monogenos. But why you use the word BEGOTTEN? What is the real meaning of BEGOTTEN? Can you please elaborate.
2 & 3. You did not have anything to reply or you do not have any explanation for my statement in para 2 & 3. So, I take it as you have accepted my explanations.
4. We do not take any guidance from any spirits. We take guidance from Qur'an & Hadith. That is our light from God. If your spirit tells you that Jesus is God, I am sure that spirit is of Devil's.
At 12:29 PM 9/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
If you really want to know what Begotten means, look at what I have pasted below. It is copied directly from www.blueletterbible.org
If the links don't work, go to the website, type in 'begotten' and make sure the small box is checked where it says "Strongs'. This will show the greek or hebrew words and their meanings, as they are defined in the Strongs Concordance. On this site, this only works when you look up scriptures in the KJV (King James Version).
You will see two words that are used for begotten. #3439 and # 1080. All of these particular scriptures refer to Jesus.
You asked me 'how can you say it means begotten'? OK, if it doesn't mean begotten (born) what does it mean? Try to substitute the word you think it means into the contextof the sentences below and show me how it makes sense.......
As for your assertions that I didn't answer # 2 and #3, go back and look at what you wrote and what my reply was. I think you are missing what I actually said.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I wanted to know the real meaning of BEGOTTEN. But you did not explain what is begotten; rather you gave me some other references. But Bible say very clearly who are BEGOTTEN. You referred John 1:14. But you start reading from John 1:12.
John 1:12-- "But whoever did want him, who believed he was who he claimed and would do what he said, He made to be their true selves, their child-of-God selves. 13. These are the God-begotten,, not blood-begotten, not flesh-begotten, not sex-begotten.
Here very clearly mentioned that all who believes Jesus & obey what he said are GOD-begotten. But they are not related with God by flesh, blood or sex. Now you read John 1:14 & you will understand who is Jesus.
John 1:14..." The word became flesh & blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, one of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, generous inside & out, true from start to finish."
Have you seen here, the begotten son is not mentioned in this translation? This is the true translation. Jesus is also not related with God by flesh, blood or sex.. You must understand it very clearly.
At 10:01 AM 9/7/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Here is the definition of beget. Begotten is the past participle of Beget, so in order to understand what Begotten means, you need toknow what Beget means.
Since we are speaking English, we need to go to an English dictionary.This is from dictionary.com
1. (especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring). 2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.
Synonyms :1. spawn, sire, breed, father. 2. occasion, engender, effect, generate.
So, this is what Begotten means. Jesus was the ONLY Begotten of the Father.
You said that your translation of the Bible reads like this in John 1:12-13
John 1: 12-- "But whoever did want him, who believed he was who he
claimed and would do what he said, He made to be their true selves,
their child-of-God selves. 13. These are the God-begotten,, not
blood-begotten, not flesh-begotten, not sex-begotten.
The bible translation you are reading disagrees with ALL of otherversions.
I know you don't understand how Jesus could be 'of God', or be part of God. Honestly, it doesn't matter what we think or know about who He is, it's important that we accept that He died for our sins and rose from the dead. Once you are born of God, then you will know God and you will knowthe truth about Who He is and also, who YOU are!Jesus said" if you believe in God, believe ALSO in Me".
This is the scripture i read this week....
John 14:15“If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
The One that Jesus sent is not a prophet, He is the Holy Spirit. This is what the Bible says. I don't say this to offend you, but becauseit is what Jesus said and it is the Truth.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
So, it is clear that different people have translated same verse in different ways. Some body has said he is begotten son of God; some body said he is son of God; somebody said like Father like son. Problem is that this different types of translations for same verse give different meanings altogether. There is a scope of interpreting it in different ways by different thought of schools. When you translate it further to another language, it will change further & it will lose its original meanings. That is what happened with the present Bible. You have to fight hard to find the truth from it.
You have quoted from John 14:15“If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever
If you love Jesus, obey his Command. And what is the Command of Jesus? When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17).
The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3).
Do you love Jesus? If you love him, you must proclaim--Isaiah 44: 6 ;'Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] no God'..
May God help you to find the real truth.
At 08:41 AM 9/8/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Thank you for caring. I am grateful that the Lord does love me and I know that He knows that I have obeyed and still do obey and love Him.Here's another thing He gave me, today, for you:
John 16:27-17:5For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. - Jhn 16:27 KJV
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. - Jhn 16:28 KJV
His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. - Jhn 16:29 KJV
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. - Jhn 16:30 KJV
Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? - Jhn 16:31 KJV
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. - Jhn 16:32 KJV
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. - Jhn 16:33 KJV
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: - Jhn 17:1 KJV
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. - Jhn 17:2 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - Jhn 17:3 KJV
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. - Jhn 17:4 KJV
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - Jhn 17:5 KJV
Again, these are verses that I read today during my quiet time. Most of the verses I have been giving you lately have been in perfect line with the dailyreadings I have been doing. I believe this is the Lord giving you, through me, His Word directly, for He loves you.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
If you read John 16: & John 17: very carefully, you will get the whole gist what Jesus wanted to tell to his disciples before he was put to cross. Jesus knew that his time is going to end very soon, so he gave his final advices & speeches to his disciples. He also prayed to God for his disciples so that God takes care of his people after his departure. John 17: shows that Jesus was sent by God for a mission. Now Jesus has completed his mission; he did whatever is ordered by God; he has delivered all to his people whatever God gave him to deliver; now his disciple had come to know that Jesus was sent by God & they have believed it. Jesus prayed to God for his disciples so that God loved them as God loved him.
His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. - Jhn 16:29 KJV. This is the time when his disciples confessed that Jesus is speaking in clear language without any proverb; because his previous speeches were full of rhetoric & proverb which no body understood. They were totally confused as you people are confused now.
These two chapters very clearly shows that Jesus was sent by God as Messenger & he delivered all to his people whatever he was ordered to deliver by God. Jesus did not claim that he himself is God & people should worship him. He insisted people to believe that he is sent by God.
You said --" I am grateful that the Lord does love me and I know that He knows that I have obeyed and still do obey and love Him."
Can you prove that you have obeyed God? God said----Isaiah 44: 6 ;'Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] no God'..
But, you have added up two more Gods & thus disobeying God..
And Jesus said--When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17).
The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3).
But You do not follow the Commandments & you do not believe in Oneness of God. So, you are disobeying Jesus also.
You people are DISOBEYING both God & Jesus. How you can expect Love from God & Jesus. Whatever you feel in your heart is nothing, but from Devil &Satan. They are very happy that they could misguide you.
.At 04:08 AM 9/9/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I have read John 16 and 17 carefully, as you asked.What did Jesus means here: ?
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. - Jhn 17:2 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - Jhn 17:3 KJV
How can a prophet give us eternal life? Especially when you consider that Jesus defined eternal life as knowing God and Jesus Christ.Does Moses give eternal life? Does Mohammed?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
You have a very wrong concept about all Prophets & Messengers of God. All Prophets have come from God to give Eternal Life to his people. Starting from Adam and then Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jonah, Idris, John, Zachariah& Jesus, all came to give eternal life to his people/tribes/race/language. Only Mohammad (PBUH) came for the whole mankind. That is why he is the last prophet & Qur'an is the last testament. Qur'an is an eternal book lasting till the doom's day. Nobody can change a single letter from it. God has declared that He will protect this Qur'an Himself. If you destroy all the written Qur'an on this earth, yet you cannot abolish it from the surface of earth; because thousand of people have memorized Qur'an by heart from A-Z during all ages. Any time they can produce the written copy.
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." - Jhn 17:3 KJV. Here you can find out the conditions for getting eternal life. You have to know the only True God & Jesus who is sent by God. ONLY True God means there is only ONE God. Other Gods are not true. And you have to believe that Jesus is sent by God. Jews does not believe that Jesus is sent by God. They take Jesus as a common man. But we Muslims believe that Jesus is sent by God. I do not understand why you people try to misinterpret this type of clear verses? Anybody can understand it without confusion.
At 04:01 AM 9/9/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You have said in the past that Jesus was not ordained by God to be killed, but was killed by evil men alone. What then did Jesus mean here?
Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? - Jhn 18:11 KJV
This He said in the Garden where the Roman soldiers and Jews came to take Jesus to be crucified. Jesus said here that the Father had given himthis cup to drink. So, what cup was Jesus speaking about? Was it not to die on the cross?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Jesus did not say that the cup is to die on cross. This cup may be the capture & torture by the Roman soldiers What Jesus meant here that he will accept whatever is ordained by God. It is your assumption that he will die on cross & he will die for your sin. God does not stop anybody doing some evils. But he will be punished for his evil doings on the Day of Judgment. But everything is in the knowledge of God. God knows what you have done, what you are doing now & what you will be doing in future. But you are free to do whatever you want to do. You will be judged on the Day of Judgment.
At 11:06 AM 9/10/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You are wrong. You said that Jesus did not say that He would die on the cross nor that He would die for the sins of the world.He said both of these things emphatically ( expressly).Here He said how He would die:Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The only way you can deny that this is true is by rejecting the entire new Injil, yet you keep quoting from it.Is it true or not? You cannot have it both ways. It is either all true, or all false. Jesus either is who He said He was in the Injil, OR, He's a liar, or a madman.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
John 12:33 is the explanation of the writer himself. But what Jesus said is given in John 12:32. "I, as I am lifted up from the earth, will attract everyone to me." Jesus did not say that he will die on cross. He said, he will be lifted up from the earth. We also say same. Qur'an also declared that Jesus is lifted up towards God. So, what is your confusion?
Matthew 26:28 is talking about the Bread &Wine . Jesus said this bread is his body & this wine is his blood. He is not talking about his real blood. These are all symbolic. You people failed to get the real truth behind it. You took it as real blood of Jesus which is not correct.
At 11:26 AM 9/10/2012, you wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You say that you know God, correct? Jesus said ' my sheep hear my voice " . Do you hear Jesus' voice? Has He ever spoken to you? What did He say?
The Apostle John gave a test for us to see if we were truly born again.
He said this:1Jo 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Do you love those who are born again, of God? No, you say in fact that we have a demon.This is EXACTLY what the Jews said about Jesus. And here you are repeating about me, What they said about Him.Wonder why?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
True followers of Jesus are not Demon. Whosoever believes in him that he is sent by God & obeys his command will get eternal life. "And Jesus said--When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17). The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3). "
If you obey this, you are his true follower. If you do otherwise, you are a DEMON. Is it clear? Nothing is more clear than this.
Jesus said ' my sheep hear my voice " . Do you hear Jesus' voice? Has He ever spoken to you? What did He say?
Do you know who are the sheep of Jesus for whom he has come? Mathew 15:24 Jesus said-“I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”. So, he has come only for the people of Israel; NOT for YOU & not for me as well. If you hear something, it is not from Jesus, it is from Demon.
I do not have any blood of Israel. Naturally, I am not a sheep of Jesus. So, question of Jesus talking to me does not arise at all. What about you? Do you have blood of Israel?
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
One another point you seem to agree with the Jews of Jesus day.......They killed Jesus for saying that God was His father.......Do you think they misunderstood what He was saying, or do you think they knew exactlyWhat He was saying....that God was His actual father......not like we become children of God by faith.....for the Jews themselves already said they were children of God, through Abraham....no, they knew what Jesus was saying. He was saying that He was born directly of God. That God was His father and Mary His mother......Making Him equal with God.
Jhn 5:18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Jews also killed John the Baptist. What was his fault? This is the nature of Jews to kill their prophets. They somehow find out some fault & kill them. Qur'an condemned this &condemn this nation also. So, do not think Jews killed Jesus because Jesus said he is son of God. It was a plea to kill him.
At 11:19 AM 9/10/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
On another point...I previously said that as Jesus hung on the cross, He said the first words to Psalm 22. You completely rejected that idea, telling me that the Psalm was not at all about Jesus. Here is something I read today during my daily reading of God’s word......
Jhn 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.
Jhn 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
What Scripture was John referring to here in verse 24? Now look at Pslam 22:
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Even God testifies in His Word that Jesus' death on the cross was foretold on Psalm 22. (My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me......)
Jesus, the Lamb of God who comes to take away the sin of the world.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
These are the Prayer of David to God Almighty. Jews used to use same prayers for their worship. You also repeat the same wordings in your prayer. Jesus did also. So, it is not unlikely that Jesus will use the same prayers of David when he was in trouble. Do not try to find out some twisted meanings in it.
At 07:52 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You do not believe the Bible is the Word of God, it's very obvious. Your understanding of it is based on this unbelief.Jesus said that He came so we could no longer live in darkness.I pray someday you will come to him. I know you think you are right and thatI am wrong and that I believe the same thing.I cannot prove the truth to you and, honestly, you have made absolutely nocompelling case for Isalm in any of your writings, not that I'm at all open toit anyway, but IF Islam were at all true, you'd think you would be able tomake a compelling argument in favor of it.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I never tried to preach Islam to you. But I fervently want that you people follow exactly what Jesus told to you. If you truly follow Jesus, you are following Islam; because there is no difference in teaching among Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus & Mohammad. All of them are sent by God Almighty, the Only One God. This is the Truth, the whole Truth & Only Truth.
However, if you want to know the Islam, I can help you.......
At 09:18 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Jesus also said:
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
He was also prophesied to come 'as a light to the gentiles'.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Yes, you are correct. Jesus was also prophesied to come 'as a light to the gentiles'. When Jesus comes second time, he will join gentiles; he will join Muslim & fight the Jews & their allies who are Anti-Christ.
At 04:58 AM 9/12/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You say this and yet, you reject His teaching and His people. How do you reconcile this in your heart? You believe only the parts of the Bible you want and reject the others! You're a play actor! You're no different than the religious people Jesus rebuked when He was here the firstTime. You tie heavy burdens on people, which you yourself are unable to bear.He came to set people free from sin, not to enslave them to a lifeOf failure and ruin. " I have come that they may have life, and that, more abundantly ".
KHALILUR RAHMAN
But Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" But you people disobeyed him &abandoned it. What is your explanation? Can you show me a single verse where Jesus said that you do not need commandment?
At 09:23 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Got it. You don't hear His voice.Oh, by the way. You also don't keep the commandments of God.You try to keep them, but you must admit that you fail sometimes.The problem with failing is that it is a violation of the Holiness of God anda sacrifice must be made to pay for that sin, or else you have to. (The soulthat sins, it will die and without the shedding of blood there can be nor remissionfor sins).
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Also, go back and look at the verse you quoted....it was followed by this:
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
So, have YOU sold everything you have and given the money to the poor? if not,according to your logic, you will NOT be going to heaven.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
This is the verse you have quoted in your mail & you asked me---",So, have YOU sold everything you have and given the money to the poor? if not,according to your logic, you will NOT be going to heaven." Why you are asking this question to me? You claim to be the follower of Jesus. So, I should ask you whether you have followed this instruction of Jesus & sold everything for the poor? If not, you are disobeying the instruction of Jesus . Still you are claiming that Jesus is living in your heart?
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At 09:58 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Why would I want to go back into darkness? The teachings of Islam are not life, they are death, for no one can keep the commandments that you teach, for all people are by nature sinners.You MUST be born again. Once you are born again, you begin to be able to please the father.
Jesus said this: Mat 7:15 KJV - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 KJV - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 KJV - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 KJV - A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 KJV - Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit and neither does a good tree bring forth evil fruit.You must first make the tree good. Jesus makes good trees. That is, He came to fulfill the prophecy given back in Jeremiah 31: this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
You MUST be born again. When you are, the law is placed in your heart. That is, you receive a new nature and are FREE to obey God. You are no longer a slaveof sin, like you were. You are now free to obey God and to resist sin, for you have the Holy Spirit living in you and you are a new creation in Christ.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
How you claim that Islam is not a good tree & it does not give good fruits? Show me which teaching of Islam is not good? You study Islam & compare with your Bible. You will then find the real TRUTH.
Jeremiah 31: this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
This is the Promise God made with the people of Israel. God wants to write the Law in their hearts. But you people have thrown out this law out of your heart. How you can claim that you are the people of God?
At 09:35 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Nope. Not true. Jehovah did not sent Mohammed. His teachings are contrary to the Word of God and his disciples are violently in opposition to the Children of God (those who are born again of the Holy Spirit), proving that he was not of God, for Jesus said those who love Him, love those who are born of Him.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Is there any verse in your Bible where it is said that no more Prophets & Messengers of God will be sent after Jesus? If it is not there, how you can claim that God did not send Mohammad as his Prophet?
At 11:11 AM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I have never said (and of course, Jesus has never said) that we should abandon the Law. But what you do notunderstand, the entire Injil is about the fact that mankind is INCAPABLE of keeping the Law!The Law was not given to make one perfect.You see, the Law IS perfect! But man is not!God knows this. He gave the law to show man what perfect looks like and to teach them that only HE can makeone perfect.That doesn't mean we do not obey Him! On the Contrary, I LOVE JESUS, and THEREFORE, I OBEY HIM.
Here is a scripture that Jesus spoke to the people who, in His day, thought that they could become perfect byknowing the Law.
Jhn 5:39 KJV - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40 KJV - And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Jhn 5:41 KJV - I receive not honour from men.
Jhn 5:42 KJV - But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Jhn 5:43 KJV - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Jhn 5:44 KJV - How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?
Jhn 5:45 KJV - Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
Jhn 5:46 KJV - For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Jhn 5:47 KJV - But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
In this mail you have said---"I have never said (and of course, Jesus has never said) that we should abandon the Law." This is only words of your mouth. But practically you have abandoned Law under the prescription of Paul.
Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeyed Jesus. Everybody knows it; yet you are trying to convince me by telling lie.
You have quoted from John 5:39-47. These are the verses where Jesus trying to convince the Jews that they should believe regarding Jesus is sent by God. Jews were not believing that Jesus is sent by God.. So, Jesus was putting all arguments that he is sent by God & Jews should believe it. There is nothing more than this.
At 12:17 PM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You tell me that I should study Islam. Why? there is nothing to study in Islam. Everything you have told me about Islam, prove that it is anti-biblical, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christ, why would I ever bother studying it? What doesit have to actually offer me?
How does Islam fulfill what Jesus said here: "come to me, all you who labor and are heave
laden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light".? It doesn't. No, instead, it ties heavy burdens on men’s shoulders that people are squashed by. This isnot God's will. God is love and His love proves His true hate. His hate is for those things that destroy thosewhom He loves (us). God, God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believesin Him should not perish but have everlasting life".
You said the promise to of God to write the law on the heart, is only for Jews. Ok, let's say that's true.How, then, can you call them anti-Christ, when God has promised to write His law on their hearts?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
If you do not study Islam, you do not have any right to comment on Islam. I do comment on your religion because I study your scripture & quote from your Bible to show that you are not following Jesus. When I show you that you are disobeying Jesus by not following the instruction of Jesus, you start discussing irrelevant things without replying my question. I know you cannot explain; but you don't have enough courage to confess it.
When you quote something from Bible , please give reference from where you are quoting. Otherwise it becomes difficult for me to correlate & reply.
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
At 12:30 PM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You asked me "how can you say that God has not sent Mohammed'.I say that God has not sent Mohammed, because he teaches about 'another Jesus', 'another gospel'and 'another god', other than the One taught in the Bible.He is completely inconsistent with the teachings of the Torah and Injil, and even contradicting the clear teachingof the Bible.
I personally know God. I met Him when He came to abide in me by His Spirit.I was born again.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
You said---I say that God has not sent Mohammed, because he teaches about 'another Jesus', 'another gospel' and 'another god', other than the One taught in the Bible.
You show me a single verse from Qur'an which teaches about 'another Jesus', 'another gospel' and 'another god', other than the One taught in the Bible. If you are bold enough, take this challenge.
You claimed---"I personally know God. I met Him when He came to abide in me by His Spirit." Your this statement is totally false because nobody can see God during this life. This is not my word; Your Bible says so. When Moses wanted to see God, note how God reacted--Exodus 33:22-23 God continued, “ But you may not see my face. No one can see me & live”. A powerful Prophet like Moses could not see God. How a man like Mr Donald can see God? If you really see something, it is not God, it must be Devil, because God cannot tell lie. You are also claiming that God abides in you. Qur'an says-- All human hearts are under the control of two fingers of God... God's Throne extends over the Heavens & Earth...no heart can conceive Him... no eyes can see Him...but He is all hearing, all seeing." How you can accommodate God in your tiny heart? Ridiculous!!!
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
At 12:30 PM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I ask you this question (if you have sold everything and given to the poor) to make the point that your means ofrighteousness is UNATTAINABLE.You believe that through the keeping of laws and saying of prayers that you are made righteous before God.I am telling you that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be perfect and if you are not perfect, then you CANNOT be saved.
God is not going to change. God is perfect. He is an 'all-consuming fire'. An all-consuming fire destroys all that is not pure. For example, pure gold is made pure by heating it up in a great heat. As it is heated the dross (impurities) float to the top and are skimmed off. They keep heating the gold over and over until they getall of the impurities possible out of it and then label it 'pure' (which is something like 99.99 percent pure.
God is purer than that. Anyone who is not perfect, dwell in fellowship with Him, for either He would have tobecome imperfect (which can never happen) or the person who desires to live in His presence must bemade perfect.Since we cannot even understand what perfection is, it is impossible for us to attain. However, God has saidthat His Law is good and perfect. And He said "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them."
A person who wishes to be RIGHTEOUS before God by the law, MUST live by the law.However, they cannot! NO ONE is perfect. NO ONE is able to be perfect.
However, GOD made a way! He gives His Holy Spirit to live in the heart of a humble one. He gives them
a new heart, on which the Law of God is written. They, by nature begin to do those things that are pleasing toGod and those things that were against the law, He has taken out of the way and has nailed them to the cross.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Why you are telling that the Laws are un-attainable? Jews are following the Laws; Muslims are following. Qur'an says---"God will not put any burden on you which you cannot bear." Sometimes you may do wrong. But you repent & you will be forgiven. Sometimes you are punished here in this world. That will also remit your sin. Finally on the Day of Judgment, your deeds right or wrong will be weighed. If you have more good deeds, your sin will be erased & you will go to heaven. If you have more wrong deeds, you will be sent to hell to cleanse your wrong deeds by hell fire like gold is purified by fire. Once you are purified, you will enter heaven.
Jesus did not stop the Laws. He has strengthen it. You read from Matthew 5:17 onwards; you will find that Jesus has modified each Law & insisted to follow it. You may read Matthew 18: onward, you will again find out how Jesus has modified Laws & insisted to follow it. So, Jesus never abandoned Law. It is Paul who has disobeyed Jesus & misguided people. Paul has taken away Laws & nailed it to cross.
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
At 01:13 PM 9/16/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
First, let me say in NO uncertain terms: I DIRECTLY answer every question you have and almost always include actual addresses of the scriptures I quote.
That said, you wrote:
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3: 25). Can you deny it thatyou have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
If you REALLY wish to know what I am saying, then actually read the entire chapter and learnthe context. Paul nor I am contradicting Jesus. First, Jesus did not say that we would besaved by keeping the commandment of Moses. Instead He said the law was perfect, but thatwe all as sheep had gone astray and we need Him (Jesus) to save us from our sin.
If you don't believe this, then anything I say will not make sense to you.But, here's the entire chapter of Galatians 3, so you might begin to hear what the Spirit is saying:
Gal 3:1 KJV - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?Gal 3:2 KJV - This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? ……………………….. --------------.Gal 3:23 KJV - But before faith came, nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.Gal 3:29 KJV - And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
I do not understand why you have quoted the whole chapter of Galatians? I said Galatians is written by Paul & he has advised people not to follow the Laws which is a clear disobedience of Jesus. You said, " Jesus did not say that we would be saved by keeping the commandment of Moses." You are telling lie. Certainly Jesus said so. You read the whole chapter of Matthew 5: & you will come to know about all Laws of Moses which is discussed by Jesus himself. Jesus is more strict than Moses regarding these laws.
Mathew 5:17-20 “Do not think that I come to destroy the Law and commandments of Moses, but to strengthen them.”
Mathew 18:16-21 People asked-“How to get eternal life in Heaven.” Jesus said- “Obey the Commandments of God.”
Jesus said, for eternal life you have to obey the Commandments. You will obey this only when you believe that Jesus is sent by God. If you don't believe Jesus & believe the advice of Paul, I am sure you are over-ridden by Devil.
At 01:27 PM 9/16/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You said I should show you a SINGLE verse in the Koran that teaches another Jesus. OK.Instead of arguing with you, I wish to first introduce you to more information.
Over 1400 years ago, Muhammad (Mohammed) was born in Arabia. His father Abdullah was of the tribe of Qureyshi, and died before Muhammad was born.
As a lad, Muhammad traveled to Syria with his uncle on merchant caravans. Years later, he made the same journey while working for a wealthy widow named Khadijah. He later married her and, even though he was 15 years younger than she was, they had a good marriage.
Muhammad soon gained rank among the notables of Mecca. The Meccans claimed to be descendants of Abraham (Ibrahim).
As one who abhorred evil, Muhammad detested those who disobeyed the Scriptures. He was familiar with the teachings of the Jewish and Christian holy book the Bible (perhaps in reading it himself, if he was literate, or in learning of it through oral means via storytelling). He was very upset with the hypocrisy among the people: the idol worship, and anything dishonoring to God was very revolting to Him. He believed that Allah had revealed the Torah and the gospels (the Injil).
"ALLAH is HE besides Whom there is none worthy of worship, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. HE has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and HE has sent down the Torah (Law of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guidance to the people; and HE has sent down the Discrimination (judgement between right and wrong)."Qur'an, Surah 3:3-4
One who was greatly respected by Muhammad was Abraham (Ibrahim), whom he called an upright and righteous man.
"Abraham was indeed a paragon of virtue, obedient to ALLAH, ever inclined to HIM, and he was not of those who set up equals with ALLAH; Ever grateful for HIS favours: HE chose him and guided him to a straight path. And WE bestowed on him good in this world, and in the Hereafter he will surely be among the righteous. And now WE have sent revelation to thee, enjoining, 'Follow the way of Abraham who was ever inclined to ALLAH and was not of those who set up equals to HIM.'"Qur'an, Surah 16:121-124
Abraham was also looked upon as one who fulfilled God's commands:
"And remember when his Lord tried Abraham with certain commandments which he fulfilled, HE said, 'I will make thee a leader of men.' Abraham asked, 'And from among my offspring?' God said, 'MY covenant does not embrace the transgressors.’ “Qur’an, Surah 2:125
Muhammad also had great understanding of the scriptures and faith in the angels who told Zechariah he would have a son (as in Luke 1:18, 57-60).
"So her Lord accepted her with gracious acceptance and caused her to grow an excellent growth and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the chamber, he found with her provisions. He said, 'O Mary whence hast thou this ?' She replied, 'It is from ALLAH.' Surely ALLAH gives to whomsoever HE pleases without measure.
Then and there did Zachariah pray to his Lord, saying, 'My Lord grant me from Thyself pure offspring; surely thou art the Hearer of Prayer.'
And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the chamber, 'ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of Yahya, who shall testify to the truth of a word from ALLAH - noble and chaste and a Prophet, from among the righteous.
He said 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when old age has overtaken me already, and my wife is barren?' He answered, 'Such is the way of ALLAH; HE does what HE pleases,'
He said 'My Lord, give me a commandment.' He replied, 'The commandment for thee is that thou shalt not speak to men for three days except by signs.
And remember thy Lord much and glorify HIM in the evening and in the early morning.' And remember when the angels said, 'ALLAH has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above all women of the time.
'O Mary, be obedient to thy Lord and prostrate thyself and worship the one God with those who worship HIM.'
This is of the tidings of things unseen which WE reveal to thee. And thou was not with them when they cast their arrows, as to which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor was thou with them when they disputed with one another.
When the angels said, 'O Mary, ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from HIM; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;
'And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous.
She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of ALLAH. HE creates what HE pleases. When HE decrees a thing HE says to it 'Be,' and it is; “Qur’an, Surah 3:38-48
Muhammad also speaks of the resurrection of Jesus:
"Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt. “Qur’an, Surah 19:30-35
In calling Jesus a messenger, Muhammad was also correct. He did not mean that Jesus was not the Messiah. Muhammad knew that one could be a messenger and not be a Messiah… but as The Messiah, one is also a messenger.
Jesus was both a messenger and The Messiah that Allah had promised! What is a Messiah? A Messiah is always known as "a Saviour… a liberator and a deliverer." God had promised to send one (Messiah) to pay the debt of sin for all mankind.
The Messiah!… God's gift to sinful man… The Saviour… The Liberator… Our Redeemer. The prophets of the Torah foretold of His coming. Muhammad and his Disciples revered Him… the Qur'an and the Biblereveal Him! The Messiah… The Saviour of the world! Neither the Qur'an nor the Bible speak of any other as being the Messiah!!!
Dear friend, that is the most profound truth! And it is truth that cannot be denied. Jesus is the one and only Messiah. He is the Saviour. He is the Messiah of the Muslims, the Jews, and the Gentiles. Millions throughout the world of every nation and creed accept Him as Saviour.
Many have followed false Messiahs and had their lives ended in death. They were sincere, but they were sincerely wrong. Had they only accepted the indisputable claim that Jesus is the Messiah, they would have found the peace that they were looking for, and the eternal life that God has promised to all who will accept Jesus as Messiah… the Saviour of the world. Yes, Isah Al Masih loves you! The Messiah that Muhammad wrote about… to forgive you and to be your Saviour… your Liberator… your Deliverer from sin. History tells us that He was crucified and died on across. History tells us that three days later there was an empty tomb. History, and hundreds of eye witnesses, tell us that He rose from the dead. But sadly many also reject the love and forgiveness God has offered in Jesus.
Allah has given you a free will. YOU must make a choice. You cannot be neutral.
Don't take this writer's word for it. Investigate for yourself the claims of Muhammad, the prophecies in the Torah, and the life of Jesus written in the Bible. The prophecies that were fulfilled by His birth, life, death and resurrection.
Check out the reasons why Paul, the greatest persecutor of Jesus' followers, became such a strong believer in Jesus as the Messiah… and why he became the world's greatest missionary.
If you are not already a follower of Isah (Jesus), you must make a choice 1) to believe that Jesus is the Messiah OR 2) to reject Him as Saviour. You can choose to believe the Messiah, Jesus, who said He would, and did, rise from the dead. Allah gave Jesus, born miraculously through Mary (Maryam, Sura 3:45) as Muhammed agreed, to the world… for you.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."John 3:16
("Son of God" does not mean that God had physical relations with Mary, but rather that God willed it supernaturally that Mary would become the earthly mother of Jesus even as a virgin. See Surah 3:47-48)
Allah loves you. How could anyone want to reject such a wonderful love… reject Allah's forgiveness… His promises of eternal life?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
I am very happy that you have started giving quotations from Qur'an. It is a very good sign. All Muslims believe what is given in Qur'an regarding Jesus. In fact, I quoted this Surah to you long before in one of my mails. Have you noted that the first miracle of Jesus was that he talked to the people at his infant when he was on the cradle?
"Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt. “Qur’an, Surah 19:30-35
Here, Jesus is declaring that he is the servant of Allah. Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet"
All Muslims also believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Now you can debate on the meaning of Messiah. But, we Muslims are very clear about his teachings & missions. We do not have any doubt. We know exactly what will be his mission on his 2nd coming.
Qur'an also says in Surah 5:72-73--"...Anybody says Jesus is God or says Jesus is one in three (trinity), certainly he is kafir( disbeliever)"
There is only ONE God & He is the Redeemer. Your Bible also say so. Isaiah 44:6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] noGod.
At 04:12 AM 9/17/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I don't know which specific scripture you are quoting when you say that Jesus said "Follow the commandment of Moses", pleasesend me that again.
But, for now, here's what the Bible teaches about the Law (OLD Covenant) and Grace (NEW Covenant). The New Covenant did NOT abolish the Old, it FULFILLS it. Those who come to God based on His Grace,are considered righteous before God, as though they have kept ALL of the Law.
By the way. Today is the Feast of Trumpets, are you observing this appointment with God? If not, you are in violation of the Law of Moses.This is CLEARLY part of the Law, so if you do not obey the keeping of this Holy Day and it's requirements, you are not obeying the commandment of God, because,you are living by the Law. (I do not live by the law, but by Grace, so I am not in disobedience.)
Here's some scriptures to help you understand what God has done......Jhn 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
So, now the logical question is: what does John mean by 'grace and truth'?
I will now quote something Jesus taught. It is important for you to remember that the same John, who wrote the above scripturewas directly taught by Jesus, so you have to consider that he understood the things that Jesus was teaching and that theInjil is a reliable account of the things that Jesus both said and did.Jesus said, as written here in the book of Mark:
Mar 7:18 KJV - And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, [it] cannot defile him;Mar 7:19 KJV - Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?Mar 7:20 KJV - And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.Mar 7:22 KJV - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Mar 7:23 KJV - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
As you can see here, Jesus is teaching that it's not the keeping of the commandments about the ceremonial washing of handsthat make someone unrighteous. It's what comes out of the heart, not what goes into the body that makes someone righteous.
Now, look again at what Jesus said that comes out of the heart of man: thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy,pride, foolishness. Not a pretty picture. How can a man stop such things from coming out of his heart? this is very important, because these are the thingswhich are against the commands of God.
Let's see what Jesus said about the heart:A young man comes to him, who wants to know how he can have eternal life. Jesus tells him to keep the commandments and he says that he does keep them and has kept them since he was a Child.This tells us a couple of things. First is that the young man seems to think that he DOES not have eternal life already, and wasn't sureif he would go to heaven.
Mat 19:16 KJV - And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?Mat 19:17 KJV - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.Mat 19:18 KJV - He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,Mat 19:19 KJV - Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Mat 19:20 KJV - The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Again,we see that the young man felt like there was something lacking in his life. What does Jesus say to him? Does He tell him to keep the commandments, as yousay that Jesus is saying?Let's see.......
Mat 19:21 KJV - Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
Jesus tells the young man that is he wants to be PERFECT (mature, complete), that he must 'go and sell...and give to the poor', and THEN he would have treasure in heaven. But wait,does Jesus end it here? No. The MOST IMPORTANT PART is what He says at the end. Jesus says: 'COME, FOLLOW ME'.
Why must this young man, and you and I by extension, "come and follow' Jesus? Can't we just keep the commandments to be saved? What does it mean to 'come and follow' Him?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
The verses you have quoted are very important & very clear. If you understand them, it will be easy for you to follow Jesus. I will discuss all of them one by one.
Jhn 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
This verse does not stop you to follow the Laws of Moses. It says your faith is now complete with Laws, Grace & Truth. Grace & Truth is added with Laws to make a complete code.
.Mar 7:22 KJV - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Mar 7:23 KJV - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
This verse shows that all evils things come out from within. Laws teaches you that you must control yourself & keep these evils out of your heart; otherwise you will be punished here on earth & after your death also. These verses tell you to strictly follow the law.
Mat 19:16 KJV - And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?Mat 19:17 KJV - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus is asking the man why he calls Jesus good. There is only one good & He is God; even Jesus is NOT good. Have you marked the difference between God & Jesus? Jesus is nothing compared to God Almighty. Jesus also instructed the man to keep commandments if he wants to enter into life. Very clear instruction from Jesus that you have to keep commandments if you want eternal life; no confusion, no ambiguity.
Mat 19:18 KJV - He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,Mat 19:19 KJV - Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Here Jesus has elaborated the list of commandments which should be kept by the man. He has clarified the commandments & asked to follow them.
Mat 19:20 KJV - The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Mat 19:21 KJV - Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
The man asked what more he can do? Jesus found that the man wants further sacrifice. So, he instructed the man to sell out everything & distribute them to the poor& follow him. This is the extreme sacrifice on way to God Almighty. But a very few people can do that much sacrifice. Common people may not go to that much extreme.
This is now clear that Jesus always insisted to keep the Laws. And he instructed very elaborately.
At 10:12 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to the disciples. He also lived and taught on earth, for 40 days after He rose from the deadand was seen by over 500 people.Jesus was seen physically and He ascended, against gravity, up into the clouds of the sky.He will return the same way and His foot shall land on the Mount of Olives, splitting it in two.
I look forward to that day, for He is the bridegroom and He's coming back for His bride, the Church. I will be with Himforever! What about you?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
You will not get any chance to join Jesus. He will land in Middle East & join the righteous people of Middle East. Then he will fight the Anti-Christ (Jews & their alliances) . When the Christian people want to join Jesus, he will reply as below:
Mathew 7:21-23 -“Those who call me “lord, lord”, they cannot enter the paradise
except those who obeys the commandments of Father. They will tell me
“Lord, did not we spell out the spirit on thy name! Did not we do miracles on
Thy name? I will say “I don’t know you, worker of un-righteous people. Go away”.
Jesus will tell you to go away. You must change your present doctrine of Paul & join the righteous people.
At 08:31 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Show me where Matthew and the other disciples rejected Paul.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
You read the whole chapters of Galatians & you will find out that all the disciples of Jesus abandoned Paul at the later stage of his life.
Paul was the staunchest enemy of Jesus. Paul himself confessed it. He said- " I am sure that you have heard the story of my earlier life when I lived in the Jewish way. In those days I went all out in persecuting God's church. I was systematically destroying it" (Galatians 1: 14-15).
Paul's teaching was mostly the opposite of what Jesus taught. There are many & mostly. I will give you only some examples. Please read the following verses from Mathew.
Mathew 10:5-7 “Do not go to Non-Jew and the village of Samaria . Only go to the lost sheep of Israel”.
Mathew 15:24 Jesus said-“I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”.
Mathew 15:26 “It is not good to give the food of Children to dogs.”
Paul was the first person to violate this order of Jesus. He was preaching among the Pagans of Rome & other European cities. But he did not disclose this to the original disciples of Jesus. After 14 years, he took Barnabus with him & went to Jerusalem to get approval of his concept because he was not sure whether he is correct or not. Please read again the verses below.
Galatians 2:1-3 " After 14 years Barnabus& I went to Jerusalem & took Titus with us. I went to clarify with them what had been revealed to me. I told them what I was preaching with non-Jews. I told them in private because I was afraid what I am doing & what I have done may be in vain. Although a non-Jew, my companion Titus was not compelled to circumcise."
Jesus was circumcised at the age of 8 days & it was compulsory for all others. Luke 2:21- "When eighth day arrived, the day of circumcision, the child was named Jesus, the name given by Angels before he was conceived."
Now what happened in Jerusalem? Barnabus& Paul was received in Jerusalem by the leaders & apostles. They sat on a conference to discuss about the proposals of Paul. Some Pharisees were in the opinion of Circumcision & Law of Moses.
" You have to circumcise the Pagan converts & you must make them to keep the Laws of Moses" ( Act 15:5). Now please see below what Jesus said about the Laws & Commandments.
Mathew 5:17-20 “Do not think that I come to destroy the Law and commandments of Moses, but to strengthen them.”
Mathew 18:16-21 People asked-“How to get eternal life in Heaven.” Jesus said- Obey the Commandments of God.”
Mathew 23:2-3 -“Do what you are told to follow the laws of Moses”.
Luke 16:29 - “For salvation, give attention to the books of Moses & Prophets”.
In that Conference Peter was talking in favour of Paul. Finally they decided to follow the following laws only- " Not to associate with activities connected with idols, no adultery, no flesh & blood of a triangulated animal." ( Act 15:20). Paul came back & started preaching against Law of Moses whole heartedly giving all sort of explanation ( Galatians 3:1;25)
Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25).
Now my question is : Can any Disciples or any followers of Jesus do repeal or abrogate any order of Jesus ? Is there any authority for that?
Your last question was, did anybody disagree with Paul? Only Peter &Barnabus was with Paul. But finally both of them left him. Paul continued his struggle alone.
Paul said- “Later, when Peter came to Antioch, I had a face to face confrontation with him because he was clearly out of line. Here's the situation. Earlier, before certain persons had come from James, Peter regularly ate with non-Jews. But, when the conservative group came from Jerusalem, he cautiously pulled back & put as much as distance from non-Jews friend. That’s how fearful he was of the conservative Jews clique that’s been pushing the old system of circumcision. Unfortunately, the rest of the Jews in the Antioch Church joined in that hypocrisy so that even Barnabus was swept along in the charade." ( Galatians 2:11-1?)
Now my friend, have you seen that all Jews disciples of Jesus had left Paul & now it has become a non-Jews Paulian religion which has repealed most of the orders/Instruction/teachings of Jesus.
At 09:01 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Your premise is faulty. First, you have absolutely no idea what Jesus actually taught, becauseyou have not been born again and more down to earth, you don't ever believe what the Bible says!I can't argue with logic like that. You so embrace what you already believe that you can't see that youare actually arguing AGAINST the veracity of the Bible by USING the Bible! That's insane.Based on everything you have told me, you reject the teaching of the following:The book of Matthew, Luke, John, Romans, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Phillipians,Hebrews, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, Revelation. Your assertions about the unreliability of Paul and your claims that He contradicted the teachings of Jesus and the entireOld Testament are simply not true.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
You don't have to born again to know what Jesus taught. It is already there in Old & New Testament. Any Tom & Harry can read it & understand it. Only requirement is you have wisdom & ability to read. If you cannotargue with logic, it shows that you are not in the right track. Truth is light. It automatically radiates itself to mankind & people can see it from a distance.
I have shown Paul's contradiction with Jesus in my last mail. I have quoted from Galatians of Bible. If you claim that it is not true, it will show that you are even not capable of understanding the simple language of Galatians of Bible or you don't want to understand willingly; you have become blind; your heart is over-shadowed by Devil.
At 10:09 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Read the Bible and pray, ask the Lord God in authority of Jesus you will learn what the Feast of Trumpets is, continueas you are and you'll remain in darkness.I really don't have anything further to teach you.You are so convinced that you are righteous before God and that you are doing exactly what He wants and expects of you that it's useless for us to continue as we have been. You don't seem the least interested in actually learning.I have others who would benefit more from the use of my time.God is merciful. Seek Him and you will learn that He has been seeking you for a very long time.He loves you more than you will ever be able to understand.In truth, either He is Lord and God or you are.All He asks is that you trust Him, that you accept the work He did for you. He will not, indeed, cannot,force you to Love Him. Sure, He can make you fear Him, but that's not what He wants from you.
Micah 6:8: "He has shown thee, O man, what is good and what Jehovah requires of thee. Simply to do justlyand to love MERCY and to walk humbly with the God."
Those who believe that they are made righteous by the keeping (as best as they can) of the commandments of God,have called God a liar, for He says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and are in need of deliverancefrom the law of sin and death.
The law was given through Moses (and no other) , but Grace and Truth come through Jesus Christ.Grace is the act of unmerited favor that God has bestowed on all mankind, that whosoever believes in His Son,should not perish, but have everlasting live (and by inference, those who do NOT believe, SHALL perish.)
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Dear Donald
I don't need to read Bible for my guidance. I have my Qur'an & Hadith for my eternal life. I am reading Bible for you, to show you that how much misguided you are!!! I have, very elaborately shown you that you people are violating Jesus deliberately & following the doctrine of Paul which does not have any support from Jesus & God. Nobody can help you if you remain blind to the TRUTH. Whatever you are talking about Faith, Believe, Grace ,Mercy , Fear & Love of God, everything is there in Islam. It is a very balanced one & optimum in all respect. Your made up doctrine of present Christianity cannot come close to Islam. May Allah guide us all to the real TRUTH.
At 09:11 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Thank you for caring about my destiny.I believe that you once again ignored completely what I wrote, so I'll say it again:Jesus rose from the dead and was witnessed on earth for 30 days by over 500 disciples (men and women)at one time! Why do you ignore what the bible teaches? I DO keep the commandments of God!Tell me, which one do I NOT keep that will keep me out of heaven?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
My dear friend, you are disobeying the First Commandment of God. When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17).
The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3). Why did Jesus answer so if he believed in and was part of the Trinity? Why did he not refer to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? See some more verses below:
Gen 34: 16-18 Do not worship any other God. Godhis name The-Jealous-One.
Isaiah 44:6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, theLORD of hosts:;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] noGod.
Mathew 4:10 -“ Worship the Lord your God, and only him. Serve him with absolute single-heartedness.”
There are many other verses which tell you that you have to believe & worship in ONE GOD. If you believe in Trinity, if you believe Jesus is God or if you associate any partner to God, there is no chance for you to enter heaven. This is the truth & absolute truth & whole truth.
At 10:09 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
So, the basis of my salvation is my own ability to understand God. That is, if I believe that God has revealed Himself in His Word as a Triunebeing, I cannot be saved?So, my salvation is based on me being able to understand correctly?What about little children, or retarded people? Can they be saved?I believe you are being sincere, but you are sincerely wrong.
I NEVER said you need to believe in the trinity to be saved. What you need in order to be saved is to accept the finished work of Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, which He wrought for youby shedding His blood on the cross to pay the price for your sins and by believing that God raised Him from the dead and that He isseated at the right hand of God, ready to judge the living and the dead.
When you TRULY submit to God by accepting that He did this for you, you will be born of God and youwill see the light and the truth will set you free.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Everybody will be judged on his FAITH& DEEDS.. If your faith is perfect, only then your deeds will be counted. If your faith is corrupted with blasphemy, your other deeds will not be considered at all. Faith or Belief is the pass word to enter the Heaven. There are different levels of Heaven & Hells. Level of Heaven you will receive will depend on what & how strong your Faith & what are your righteous deeds. Do not think that you will get the same level of Heaven with Jesus. Certainly all Prophets will have the Higher Levels in Heaven. It is stated in Hadith that there are 8 levels of Heaven & 7 levels of Hell. Setan or Devil will be thrown into the lowest level of Hell. We have different names for different levels of Hell & Heaven. I am not going to burden you with all these details.
You will be judged only on those items which you have received from God as his mercy & grace. If you have wealth, you will be questioned on wealth; how you have acquired it & spent it. If you are a poor, you don't have to reply for wealth. If you have eyes, you will be asked about the utilisation of it. Did you use it to see blue-film or you have used it to read your Bible. Blind man will not be asked about it. Same question for your wisdom also. Did you use it properly or you have misguided people willingly. A mentally retarded man will not be asked about wisdom. In short, you are responsible for what you havereceived from God. It is so logical &so justified that nobody will have any question on judgment of God. Qur'an says, an atom size of good deeds will be shown and an atom size of bad deed also will be shown. No injustice will be made to anybody. God does not do any injustice to anybody. And on that day of judgment, you have to reply for your deeds & wealth. Even your wife, who has shared your wealth, will not reply for you & take your responsibility.
Judgment will be administered by God Almighty. Nobody can share it. Everybody will be worried for his own judgment.
Your Paulian Doctrine is exposed by your following statement :
"What you need in order to be saved is to accept the finished work of Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, which He wrought for youby shedding His blood on the cross to pay the price for your sins and by believing that God raised Him from the dead and that He isseated at the right hand of God, ready to judge the living and the dead."
1. You have talked about the Finished Work of Jesus. Jesus did not finish his work. He has only introduced himself to this world. He will do his main mission when he comes back 2nd time in this world.
2. Jesus is not the begotten son of God. He called himself as son of man. In fact, all believers are the child of God.
3. Jesus did not pay for you sin. Nobody can pay for other's sin. You are responsible for your sin.
4. Jesus will never judge anybody. He is not capable of doing so. Only the God almighty will do judgment.
All these points stated above have Biblical support. I have quoted many times from Bible to prove these in my previous mails. If you want, I can quote them again. These are the proof that the whole Paulian Doctrine is standing on wrong assumption &they are totally FALSE.
At 10:03 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
It's a funny thing you said there. Here you claim to be Muslim, yet you do not submit to the teaching of God in the Bible. Insteadyou hold to the teachings of ONE MAN in his own lifetime, who wrote the Qua'ran and then writers of the Hadiths.The Bible was written (from God), by over FORTY different authors, on SEVERAL different continents, over TWO THOUSAND yeareriod of Time. It is COMPLETELY different from the Qua'ran, yet you claim that the same God wrote both books!
You're no different from the Mormons who claim that God foretold in the old testament of the coming of their leader (Joseph Smith),who had angels of light appear to him and give him a new book, that he claimed was from God. It wasn't! Same thing as your religion.They believe that yo cannot be saved by Grace through faith alone, either! They believe that salvation is something you have to earn, just like you do! So, are they 'saved' by Islam's standards? I doubt it!
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Qur’an is not written by any man. It is brought directly from Allah by Arc Gabriel & delivered to our Prophet in its original language. Prophet recited it to his companions who havememorized instantly or written on different materials. God promised to protect it in original form till the destruction of this universe. Hadith is compiled by the companions of the Prophet & it contains the activities, sayings, advices, instructions of the Prophet himself. You can compare your present Gospel with Hadith. But Gospel can never be compared with Qur'an. It is far below the standard of Qur'an in respect to everything.
Bible is never written by God. Different people have written it in their own language. They may have taken the inspiration from God; but putting it to their own language & while translating to other languages, it lost its meaning & purity. That is the reason, you find different types of Bible, sometimes giving totally a different meaning depending on the doctrine of those people.. In fact they played with their books so whimsically without fearing God. Qur'an says--" For small benefits of this world, they have changed their Books"
At 09:48 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Good, long email. I will try to answer you point by point.
First, you are absolutely correct, Saul (who was named Paul later, just as Simon was named Peter by Jesus), did persecute Christians. He hunted them down and had them put in prison and was even consenting to the death of Stephen the first martyr. However, Saul met Jesuswho appeared to him and Saul became born again and he was called by God to go to the Gentiles, so he did. His teachings are not in anyway against the teachings of Jesus. You simply don't actually know what the Bible says, you only repeat what you have heard. You keepsaying that I must keep the commandments of God to be saved. I DO keep the commandments of God! Not because it's going to save me,but because it is now my nature to obey God. I am NOW a child of God. I was once dead in my trespasses and sins and was an enemy ofGod, but now I have been born again of incorruptible seed. His very Word and Spirit abiding in and transforming me into the image of His Own dear Son, Jesus!
Second, your assertion that Jesus said NOT to go to the Gentiles. While it is true that Jesus told the 12 apostles to go only to the Jews, that was only one specific time, it was not a command for all time. It was for a short period of time, while Jesus was still alive on earth. In fact, Jesusspecifically told the disciples to 'GO INTO ALL THE EARTH and make disciples (teaching)....Matthew 28
Mat 28:18 KJV - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Mat 28:19 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mat 28:20 KJV - Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
Also, God foretold about Jesus in Isaiah 49:6, that He would be a LIGHT to the Gentiles: Isa 49:6 KJV - And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
You are simply mistaken that Jesus came only to and for the Jews. You do not know the scriptures.
Now, was for Paul coming up to Jerusalem and about circumcision. You are correct, there indeed were Christian Jews who were saying that people needed to be circumcised to be saved. These people were and still are WRONG. That is a lie from the heart of Satan himself. Circumcision wasgiven to Abraham as a sign of a covenant. The OLD covenant. The NEW covenant is the perfect one. In this covenant, man's HEART is circumcised. That is, remember those wicked things we talked about last time, which come out of the heart? (Lying, killing, stealing, etc.)
Those thing come from the sin nature within the heart of man. Jesus came to give us a NEW HEART. To cut away the old man, the old natureand to give us a new heart which contains the commandments of God, so by nature we begin to do those things which the Law teaches. Whichare this: to love God with ALL of your heart, mind soul and strength and to love your neighbor (fellow man) as yourself. In these two, Jesus taught,are ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
No one can abrogate the teachings of Jesus and Paul certainly did not. You are correct that Peter certainly did 'play the hypocrite' in that he actedone way in eating with Gentiles, but another when the Jews who taught circumcision came around. He was wrong and Paul called him out on that.
You do not find that the apostles left Paul or rejected his teachings. Once again, you are seeing what you want to see and listening to what othershave taught you. SEEK GOD. Stop listening to what man teaches you and ask God, in the name of Jesus, to open your eyes. He will! I'm sorryto be so blunt, but you simply can't see. I understand, because I too was once blind, but now I see.
It's not by understanding, in fact, God's word says this about His law and your understanding:
"Pro 3:1 KJV - My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:Pro 3:2 KJV - For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.Pro 3:3 KJV - Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thineheart:Pro 3:4 KJV - So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.Pro 3:5 KJV - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.Pro 3:6 KJV - In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
He tells you to lean not on your understanding of things nor of God, but to ACKNOWLEDGE HIM (God). Jesus taught that if we ask anything in HIS NAME HE WILL DO IT! That is, acknowledge Him and He will direct your path! He loves you and is alive and real and you can know Him!
Why do you think it odd that I can hear from God? God isn't too small to talk to me! He is a great and awesome God and He is totally able tospeak with each person He ever created, at the same time and have a one on one conversation with each person at the same time, is He not?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Paul did not meet Jesus. He claimed that he saw Jesus in vision long after the death of Jesus.. Jesus could not correct Paul during his life time; why he should appear to an un-believer to make him 'born again by force? There were many other disciples of Jesus. Why they did not get this opportunity of meeting Jesus again & get his instruction? Do you believe this unrealistic & un-justified action of Jesus that he will select a great non-believer & do him a great favour by forcing him to become born again. Please do not put blame on Jesus for this unbecoming conduct. I do not believe this made up story of Paul at all. Did you notice another point? Paul was afraid to face the real disciples of Jesus at Jerusalem. After 14 years, he came to Jerusalem &seek support from Peter & James. He should have come to Jerusalem on the first instance & receive baptize from one of the authorized disciples of Jesus who were sent by Jesus & allowed to baptize people. All these clearly indicate that Paul was never sent by Jesus. Rather he had formulated his own doctrine based on paganism of Europe & started preaching it in the name of Jesus. That is the reason things like X-mas tree & Trinity are adopted in this doctrine
At 11:28 AM 9/21/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I will once again show you that the assertions you have made before and are making here again, are NOT biblical.You wrote:
1. You have talked about the Finished Work of Jesus. Jesus did not finish his work. He has only introduced himself to this world. He will do his main mission when he comes back 2nd time in this world.
On the Cross Jesus said the following: Jhn 19:30 KJV - When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Jesus LITERALLY said, "IT IS FINISHED". He was referring to the Work that He came to do, that is, to be the payment for the penalty ofour sin. He then DIED. You assertions that He did not finish His work and that He did not die and that He did not rise from the dead, areall taught in your religion BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE. The Bible CLEARLY teaches all of these things, it is your religion that is wrong and thereforethat rejects the true Jesus and embraces another Jesus altogether.
2. Jesus is not the begotten son of God. He called himself as son of man. In fact, all believers are the child of God.
Once again you reject the literal teaching of the Bible and the ACTUAL THINGS THAT JESUS SAID, and you embrace the false teachingof your leaders. Jesus said that HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD twice in the book of John. Here they are: (Jesus is speaking here, not someone talking about Jesus, this is Jesus speaking):
Jhn 3:16 KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Jhn 3:18 KJV - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.So, once again, the BIBLE CLEARLY teaches that Jesus SAID He was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. You, on the other hand, reject Jesusand believe what your teachers tell you. You will be judged for this if you do not repent.
3. Jesus did not pay for you sin. Nobody can pay for other's sin. You are responsible for your sin.
Jesus CLEARLY taught that He gave His body as food and His blood as drink on the cross. He said that He came 'to give HIs life" for us.Here is that scripture:
Mar 10:45 KJV - For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Don't get hung up here that Jesus called Himself the Son of man. He ALSO called Himself the Son of God, as you saw earlier. So, He was saying that He was BOTH, the Son of God and the Son of man.. How? God was His father and Mary was His mother. He was born of God AND mankind!
But, more to the point, He CLEARLY says here that He came to GIVE HIS LIFE A RANSOM FOR MANY. He PAID for our sins (He was ransomed on the cross). He bought us back to God.
4. Jesus will never judge anybody. He is not capable of doing so. Only the God almighty will do judgment.
And, once again, finally, you totally deny what the clear teaching of the Bible is and Who Jesus said He was and what He was able to do.....Jesus said the following about Himself:
"The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him… And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man." John 5:22-23
This is but one of MANY scriptures showing that Jesus IS the Judge, so ONCE AGAIN, your assertion is completely UN-BIBLICAL and based ONLYon the teachings of your leaders. Repent, for the Kingdom of God is come and He really wants you to be saved!
If you write back to tell me what I've written about is NOT true, then you are completely ignoring the plain and obvious teaching of scriptureand are relying on lies taught to you by others.Jesus said "believe in Me". Why would you believe what someone tells you ABOUT Jesus? Why not believe Him directly?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Your explanation is highly ridiculous & no man with a little commonsense will accept it. 'It is finished' does not mean that I have finished my work. When Jesus is about to faint on the cross, he thought all is over now; his life is finished; it is finished. In no way it indicates that Jesus did mean his work is finished. You people always make up this type of story & try to feed others with it thinking that others are damn fools. Don't think like that. God has given wisdom to others also & they understand what is wrong & what is right. I again tell you that Jesus will start his real mission when he comes back 2nd time in this earth. He will defeat the Jews & occupy Jerusalem and sit on the Throne of David. He will kill two third of the Jews & establish the kingdom of God. He will become the king of the kings. These are all given in your Bible. Can you deny it?
You are fighting on the words ' Only Begotten Son'. The verses you have quoted in your mail does contain words 'Son of Man' several times. Jesus used to call himself Son of Man. Sometimes he was referred as Son of God like other believers. But he never called him 'the begotten son of God'. Your translation is wrong. In my English Bible, I never found words like begotten son. You people are playing with the Bible.
The judgment you are talking about is the judgment in this world. Jesus can judge a man here who is righteous & who is not. But the FINAL judgment on the Day of Judgment will be made by God Almighty. Jesus does not have any participation there. Jesus has to reply for the people like you who called him God or begotten son of God. For Final Judgment, please read Chapter 20of Revelation.
Rev:20:11-12 I saw a Great White Throne & One sitting on that. All assembled in front of that Throne------Judgment was made as per deeds of the person.
Rev 20:14 Everybody was judged as per his deeds.
So my friend, use your wisdom& find out the real truth from your Bible. Don't be a blind supporter of Paul.
At 11:34 PM 9/22/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Unlike you, I am not explaining to you what I think the bible says, I am simply quoting exactly whatthe Bible says. You practice eisegesis, that is, you read into the text the thing you already believe, so as to make the scripturesfit your preconceived beliefs. When I quote the bible, you simply say 'it's been corrupted' or 'that's not what it says'.
Khalil, you are faced with a true problem. You must accept that the Bible is God's word, or you must reject it.You cannot base your faith in Islam on the Bible. You either reject the Bible, or accept exactly what it says.Today is the day of salvation. The Day of Judgment is the Day of Judgment. TODAY is the day of salvation. Don't stiffenyour neck. Yield to His loving call of forgiveness and you will find rest for your soul.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I tell you again that all true religions are from God & it has two parts : 1. Faith or Believe and 2. Laws or commandments. Faith is same for all religions. Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Mohammad & thousands of other Messengers all over the world taught the same faith and that is to worship One God Almighty. There is no change in it. Laws & Commandments were slightly different from each other depending upon the tribe/race/nations, their geographical locations & time. Laws were different during the time of Noah. It is gradually updated till the time of Moses. Jesus also modified some of them. Final modification of these Laws are made during the time of our Prophet of Islam & now they have become UNIVERSAL for all mankind to follow. You must understand this theology of God.
Now I will quote a verse from Bible. You will tell me, who are the people involved in this verse, when it will be executed, why Jesus will throw them out & any other explanation you have.
Mathew 7:21-23 -“Those who call me “lord, lord”, they cannot enter the paradise except those who obeys the commandments of Father. They will tell me “Lord, did not we spell out the spirit on thy name! Did not we do miracles on Thy name? I will say “I don’t know you, wicked people. Go away”.
I hope you will explain this.
At 08:00 AM 9/25/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
First, the only true God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is also the God of Moses. He is the God revealed in the writings of the Torahand the New Testament. Any religion that does not align itself with the Book of Books (the Bible) is in opposition to God and are leading peopletoward destruction, not life.
Second, you are asking me what Jesus meant in Matthew 7: 21-23, however, I cannot answer you becauseyou already have rejected all of the Bible's teachings, including this one by saying that the Bible is corrupted, therefore, untrue.You cannot have it both ways. Either the Bible is true and good, or it's not.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I know why you cannot answer this question, because this verse has disclosed the status of those persons who claim that they do all types of miracles in the name of Jesus. In this present world, only the Christian people do spell out spirits in the name of Jesus; they do heal people in the name of Jesus; they do many other miracles in the name of Jesus. Jesus said, they cannot enter Paradise if they do not follow commandments. Now you find out your own status. Almost 100% Christian people does not follow the Commandments. Certainly, they will be thrown out by Jesus & they cannot enter Heaven. My friend , use your wisdom & ponder, where is your position ? In hell or Heaven?
Mathew 7:21-23 -“Those who call me “lord, lord”, they can not enter the paradiseexcept those who obeys the commandments of Father. They will tell me “Lord, did not we spell out the spirit on thy name! Did not we do miracles on Thy name? I will say “I don’t know you, wicked people. Go away”.
I want to add some more with it. You are correct that the true God is the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob & David. We also have the same God. The definition & description of God given in Torah & Old Testament is exactly same given in Qur'an. There is no difference at all. But the Paulian God differs with the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob & Jesus. You have made three Gods & associated partners to One Almighty God. Certainly it is the deviation from the God of Abraham & Moses.
At 01:26 AM 9/28/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Once again, it no use to talk with you, as you are intellectually dishonest.You use the bible to prove your points, but deny it's authenticity, therefore, You are able to believe whatever suits your predetermined world view, whileRejecting the clear teachings of the bible. Repent and believe and you will be saved.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Thanks for your letter after a week. I thought you have again stopped communicating. You said I am using Bible to prove my points. Surely I am using Bible to prove my points. Do you want I should use my Qur'an? It will be easier for me. But I do not use Qur'an because you do not have any knowledge of Qur'an. Bible is your subject & it is your scripture. You must agree that I have already proved beyond any doubt that there are lot of materials in Bible to prove my points. If you deny them, you are denying Bible & disobeying Jesus. In some matters you are very openly disobeying Jesus.
You are correct that the true God is the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob & David. We also have the same God. The definition & description of God given in Torah & Old Testament is exactly same given in Qur'an. There is no difference at all. But the Paulian God differs with the God of Abraham, Moses , Jacob & Jesus. You have made three Gods & associated partners to One Almighty God. Certainly it is the deviation from the God of Abraham & Moses.
At 09:02 AM 9/1/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Isaiah 44:6 is absolutely true. So isRevelation 1:17. You cannot believe one and reject the other.You must decide.Are you a believer in Jesus, the Son of God, or are youone who rejects Him?There is no other way.I ask you once again, why don't you know God personally? Why doesn’t He speak to you?It is because you are not born again. You are NOT a child of God!
This is what Jesus said:"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: - Jhn 1:12 NKJV. Jesus was being emphatic here.......if you do not trust in, rely upon/cling to His authority as the Son of God, YOU CANNOT BECOME A CHILD OF GOD.
My destiny is secure. I am going to heaven, BECAUSE I AM ALREADY THERE. That is, I am now a child of God and as such, I am a citizen of Heaven, no matterwhere I am. He is my Father, and I am His adopted son. He chose me in Christ to be His. I love Him and He loves me.
He loves you too and wishes for you too, to be born of Him....not by your own ability, but by simply accepting His free gift of Love, paid for on the Cross by His Onlybegotten Son. It wasn't cheap! It was the most precious of all gifts ever given.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
If you believe that Isaiah 44:6 is absolutely true, you must reject the concept of all other gods; there is no other gods besides Him & He is the last & first. Any other concept other than this is totally wrong & false. So, come back to ONE & ONLY Supreme God; otherwise you will be ruined.
You always say-- know God personally & speak to Him. This very concept is wrong. If it would be possible to meet & talk to God personally, God would not have sent thousands of His Prophets & Messengers to guide mankind. There would not have been the requirement of David & Jesus to come to this earth. God directly would have talked to each person & guide them. If you claim that you see & talk to God every day, it is not God, but the Devil who is misguiding you. In my previous mails I have quoted from Bible to support this.
You said you are already now in Heaven. If you call your place a heaven, then certainly you do not know what heaven is. I do not want a heaven like this. If you want the real description of Heaven, please read Qur'an & you will get the details.
I tell you again, I do not want to become a child of God; I try to become a true slave of God Almighty. May Allah swt accept me as His slave.
In one of your previous letter you said--" You keep calling me 'Pauline'. Paul was a great Apostle. God used Him to write over half of the New Testament Scriptures. Your rejection of his writings is not a rejection of him alone, but of God Himself".
Jesus sent 12 Apostles around the places to teach the people of Israel. They were also authorized to do miracles on behalf of Jesus. Names of these 12 Apostles are clearly mentioned in Bible. Paul is not there among these Apostles. Surprisingly, Paul never met Jesus during his life time. How can you claim that Paul was an Apostle & God used him to write half of the Bible? Whatever Paul wrote was from his own mind. Show me a single statement in Gospel where Jesus made Paul his Apostle & authorized him to do miracles on behalf of Jesus. Moreover, whatever Paul introduced goes against the teachings of Gospel which I have proved from Bible in my previous mails.
I say again, show me a single verse in Gospel where Jesus appointed Paul as Apostle.
At 09:18 AM 9/2/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Before Christ, God spoke to man through prophets and judges. Today, He has given us, through the death and resurrection of His Son Jesus, the Holy Spirit, to those who accept the free gift of eternal life.
Yes, I KNOW GOD and yes, GOD SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO ME.
YOU CAN TOO!
Here's the Scripture the Lord gave me this morning. He does this almost every day....I read a scripture that deals directly with your questions.This is the Holy Spirit fulfilling His purpose...bringing to mind all the things that Jesus said....
You said in the past that Jesus was killed, and it was not God's plan for that, but evil men did this to Him.This is what Jesus says about that....do you agree or disagree with Jesus?I am only putting a small portion of this chapter here. You should really read this chapter, all of it, an let it sink in exactly what's going on here....it really says it all......
Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil. - Jhn 12:3 NKJV
But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], who would betray Him, said, - Jhn 12:4 NKJV
"Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" - Jhn 12:5 NKJV Giving to the poor IS a good thing to do, after all!?
This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. - Jhn 12:6 NKJV
But Jesus said, "Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. - Jhn 12:7 NKJV Jesus KNEW He was about to be killed.
"For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always." - Jhn 12:8 NKJV What! Jesus is making Himself more important than a poor person! (Yes indeed, He is.)
Now a great many of the Jews knew that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He had raised from the dead. - Jhn 12:9 NKJV
But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also, - Jhn 12:10 NKJV
because on account of him many of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus. - Jhn 12:11 NKJV
But Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. - Jhn 12:23 NKJV Jesus knew He was about to die.
"Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. - Jhn 12:24 NKJV
"He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. - Jhn 12:25 NKJV
"If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him [My] Father will honor. - Jhn 12:26 NKJV Jesus said, if you don't follow and honor Him, you are not honoring God.
"Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. - Jhn 12:27 NKJV
"Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came from heaven, [saying], "I have both glorified [it] and will glorify [it] again." - Jhn 12:28 NKJV God spoke from Heaven (the Father) and confirmed that Jesus was the One we should listen to.
Therefore the people who stood by and heard [it] said that it had thundered. Others said, "An angel has spoken to Him." - Jhn 12:29 NKJV
Jesus answered and said, "This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. - Jhn 12:30 NKJV God spoke from Heaven (the Father) and confirmed that Jesus was the One we should listen to.
"Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. - Jhn 12:31 NKJV Did you get what Jesus said here? NOW (at His death) is the judgment of this world (and) the rule of this world (the devil) will be cast out.
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all [peoples] to Myself." - Jhn 12:32 NKJV Lifted up means CRUCIFIED. The Romans CRUCIFIED JESUS and as a result, ALL PEOPLES are drawn to Jesus (He didn't come only for the Jews).
This He said, signifying by what death He would die. - Jhn 12:33 NKJV Again, Jesus KNEW HE WOULD DIE.
How can you say that Jesus did not die for the sins of the world? HE SAID HE CAME TO DO EXACTLY THAT.You have NEVER shown any scriptures to back up your assertions. You simply ignore the scriptures that don't agree with your religion and use ones, taken out of context, to try and support your position.So, let's do this once again, only this time, I'll use your tactics..... (I have answered most if not every one of you assertions and questions, regardless of you saying that I have not, I KNOW I have. I have spent HOURS looking up scriptures to send to you, only to have you ignore them entirely and spit back the same dogma you always do [for example, you totally ignored my last email about Jesus being the first and the last andjust responded 'that can't be, you must come back to the one and only God or you will be ruined". ] This is NOT a reasoned response. This is just someone saying the same thing over and over hoping that it's true. It's not. The Truth is, the Bible is the Word of God and you can KNOW God through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. When you truly do this, you will be born again, and the Bible won't just be a book to you anymore, it will be the Word of God, it will be LIFE to you, for it is the Bread from Heaven.
So, I ask you , as you have asked me:
YOU show ME, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that Jesus did NOT die for the sins of the world by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that Jesus is only a prophet by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that Mohammed is a prophet of God, by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, that the Koran is the Word of God, by using the Bible.
YOU show ME, by using the Bible, how YOU can be saved by keeping ceremonial laws and by fasting and by prayer.
I await your reasoned and scholarly response.Anything less will be round filed.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Whatever you have quoted in this letter are mostly irrelevant. They do not speak clearly about your believes. So, you had to explain it again with your own language at the end of each verse. You have asked 6 question at the end of your letter. I will reply all these questions from your Bible by quoting only one verse for each question.
YOU show ME, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God by using the Bible....Jesus called himself as the Son of Man. "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. - Jhn 12:23 NKJV . In many other places, especially in Luke, he has called himself as the Son of Man. So, he is a man coming out from the womb of a woman.
YOU show ME, that Jesus did NOT die for the sins of the world by using the Bible....Bible says--Jeremiah 31:30. It says- "Each person will pay for his own sin. You eat green apple, you are the one to get sick". It is so clearly mentioned here that nobody can pay for your sin. You have to pay for your own sin. So, Jesus cannot pay for your sin. You will be responsible for your sin. Again in: "(Dt 24:16)--The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." It is very clear that Jesus cannot pay for other's sin.
YOU show ME, that Jesus is only a prophet by using the Bible...Jesus said--John 20:21-23 Jesus told them- “Peace to you. Just as Father sent me, I send you.” He has clearly said here that he is sent by God like other Prophets & Messengers were sent before. He is also the servant of God like other Prophets. He said in John 13:16-17 - Servant is not greater than Master. Here God is the Master & he is his servant. Jesus instructed to worship to only God. Mathew 4:10 -“ Worship the Lord your God, and only him. Serve him with absolute single-heartedness.” There are many other examples like this.
YOU show ME, that Mohammed is a prophet of God, by using the Bible. .John 1:20-21 -People asked John-“Are you Masih, Elijah or that Prophet?” We know that Jesus is Masih, John is Elijah. Now who is that Prophet for whom Jews were waiting for? That Prophet is the last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) for whom Jews were waiting for. Jesus also said a comforter will come & teach you everything. John 4:15-17 - “ I will ask my father to send the Comforter for you to stay with you for ever”.
John 14:24-26 -“This Comforter will teach you everything”.
John 15:26-27 -“This Comforter will give witness for me”.
Details about the Comforter who will come after Jesus is given in John 6:7-15. This Comforter is the Last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). The meaning of Comforter will be more clear if you read the Greek word for Comforter given in Greek Bible.
YOU show ME, that the Koran is the Word of God, by using the Bible... If you believe on Last Prophet, you will believe on Qur'an which was sent by God to him. There are more than 6000 verses in Qur'an dealing with different subjects including science as well. You cannot show a single verse which is contradictory, confusing or wrong. This is the miracle of Qur'an which is everlasting. It certify the Prophet hood of all previous prophets including the miraculous birth of Jesus. It also clarifies the confusions which Jews & Christians are facing. Read it & you will come to know the truth.
YOU show ME, by using the Bible, how YOU can be saved by keeping ceremonial laws and by fasting and by prayer...When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17). The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3). Why did Jesus answer so if he believed in and was part of the Trinity? Why did he not refer to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? So, keep the Commandments & worship ONE GOD. Here lies the salvation.
At 12:08 PM 9/2/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
The book of Acts was written by Luke. The same person who wrote the book of Luke.In the books of Acts you will find your answer.To make it easy on you, here it is......
Act 9:1¶And Saul, yet breathing out threatening and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Act 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutes thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutes: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Act 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Act 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought [him] into Damascus.
Act 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
Act 9:10¶And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I [am here], Lord.
Act 9:11 And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for [one] called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Act 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting [his] hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Act 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Act 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, [even] Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Act 9:19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
Act 9:20¶And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Act 9:26¶And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought [him] to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
Here you see Paul ordained by Jesus to go and preach the gospel and to suffer much for the kingdom of God and to be a witness of Jesus to many, including Gentiles.
In Mark, Jesus said that signs would follow those who preached the gospel. Many signs and miracles were done through Paul.
There is no dispute as to his authority as an apostle of Jesus, IF you believe the Bible. If you don't, well, then up you have bigger problems than Paul's standing.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
It is correct that Luke wrote the story of Paul in Acts. But it is a hearsay. Luke was not with Paul when all these happened. He believed the made up story of Paul. Something may happen to Paul & he may accept Jesus in his faith, but it does not make him a disciple of Jesus. Disciples are only those 12 whose names were declared by Jesus during his life time. Visions seen by Paul have many scientific explanations & there are many books on these.
My point is, see the future activities of Paul. All his teachings are against the teachings of Jesus including Trinity. Finally all the disciples of Jesus abandoned him which I have shown you in my previous mails You read Galatians & you will get the details. Paul opposed Jesus during his life time; he also opposed Jesus after his departure in the plea that he accepted Jesus. In fact he has misguided people in the name of Jesus. The soon you understand it, the better.
At 12:23 PM 9/5/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I will now show you what the Bible actually says that is in contradiction to all that your religion teaches you:
1: YOU show ME, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God by using the
Bible....Jesus called himself as the Son of Man. "The hour has come
that the Son of Man should be glorified. - Jhn 12: 23 NKJV . In many
other places, specially in Luke, he has called himself as the Son of
Man. So, he is a man coming out from the womb of a woman.
Jesus, in unequivocal terms, called Himself the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, and to such an extent that He saidthat whoever does not believe in Him, is condemned already:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed inhe name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
The scriptures you quote are taken out of context, just to prove your point. You do not believe the Bible is the Word of God, so don't pretend to know what it says. Oh, and YES, Jesus DID come from the womb of a woman! Mary, the young woman God chose through whom He would become flesh and dwell among us (John 1:14)
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, as of THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, full of grace and truth."
2: YOU show ME, that Jesus did NOT die for the sins of the world by
using the Bible....Bible says--Jeremiah 31: 30. It says- "Each person
will pay for his own sin. You eat green apple, you are the one to
get sick". It is so clearly mentioned here that no body can pay for
your sin. You have to pay for your own sin. So, Jesus can not pay
for your sin. You will be responsible for your sin. Again in: "(Dt
24: 16)--The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every
man shall be put to death for his own sin." It is very clear that
Jesus can not pay for other's sin.
This is what JESUS said about His purpose on earth....it TOTALLY disagrees with what you say the bible teaches. The bible does not contradict itself. You are correct, people pay for their own sins. However, the Bible ALSO teaches that God ordained sacrifices that would cover sins in the old testament and REMOVE sins, in the new.The sacrifice that removes sin in the new testament is ONLY the blood of Jesus.Here's what the Bible actually teaches about sin, God's ability to forgive and where you stand with God, it's not what you claim:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. - 1Jo 1:7 KJV
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - 1Jo 1:8 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - 1Jo 1:9 KJV
Here's what Jesus Himself said about His purpose (to pay for the sins of mankind):
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. - Jhn 3:11 KJV
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things? - Jhn 3:12 KJV
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven. - Jhn 3:13 KJV (Jesus CAME from Heaven, He pre-existed)
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: - Jhn 3:14 KJV (Moses hung a bronze snake on a stick so that the curse of God would be removed from them....Jesus said HE would be lifted up the same way....and for the same purpose.)
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. - Jhn 3:15 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - Jhn 3:16 KJV
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. - Jhn 3:17 KJV
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - Jhn 3:18 KJV
Jesus said the folllowing:
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. - Mat 26:26 KJV
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; - Mat 26:27 KJV
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. - Mat 26:28 KJV
You can only reject what Jesus taught, you cannot argue that the Bible teaches that Jesus did not die for our sins. You can only reject Jesus, it's that simple.
3: YOU show ME, that Jesus is only a prophet by using the Bible...Jesus
said--John 20: 21-23 Jesus told them- "Peace to you. Just as
Father sent me, I send you." He has clearly said here that he is
sent by God like other Prophets & Messengers were sent before. He is
also the servent of God like other Prophets. He said in John
13: 16-17 - Servant is not greater than Master. Here God is the
Master & he is his servent. Jesus instructed to worship to only
God. Mathew 4: 10 -" Worship the Lord your God, and only him.
Serve him with absolute single-heartedness." There are many other
examples like this.
Here you are TELLING me what Jesus meant. You are interpreting what the Bible says, rather than simply believing what it say. Jesus WAS sent by God! That doesn't mean He didn't come from God!
Again Jesus says: " For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. - Jhn 16:27 KJV
I came forth from the Father, and am come in to the world; again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.".Jhn 16:28
Prophets DO NOT COME FORTH FROM THE FATHER, they are men that God sends. Jesus was not a man like any other.
JESUS SAID:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - Jhn 14:6 KJV
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. - Jhn 14:7 KJV
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. - Jhn 14:10 KJV
You either accept or reject Jesus. You cannot say that Bible does not teach that He is God, the Son. He Himself claimed to be of God, from God and that He was NOT just a prophet.
Jesus is worshipped as God in the Book of Revelation:
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. - Rev 5:12 KJV
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. - Rev 5:13 KJV
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. - Rev 5:14 KJV
These beings ascribed the same worth to "He who sat on the throne" as they did to the Lamb! (The word worship MEANS to ascribe worth).
4: YOU show ME, that Mohammed is a prophet of God, by using the Bible.
.John 1: 20-21 -People asked John-"Are you Masih, Elijah or that
Prophet?" We know that Jesus is Masih, John is Elijah. Now who is
that Prophet for whom Jews were wating for? That Prophet is the last
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) for whom Jews were waiting for. Jesus also
said a comforter will come & teach you everything. John 4: 15-17 - "
I will ask my father to send the Comforter for you to stay with you for ever".
John 14: 24-26 -"This Comforter will teach you every thing".
John 15: 26-27 -"This Comforter will give witness for me".
Details about the Comforter who will come after Jesus is given in
John 6: 7-15. This Comforter is the Last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). The
meaning of Comforter will be more clear if you read the Greek word
for Comforter given in Greek Bible.
OK, let's Look at what the Bible ACTUALLY says in John 14....If ye love me, keep my commandments. - Jhn 14:15 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; - Jhn 14:16 KJV
[Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for hedwelleth with you, and shall be in you. - Jhn 14:17 KJV
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. - Jhn 14:18 KJV
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. - Jhn 14:19 KJV
At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. - Jhn 14:20 KJV
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. - Jhn 14:21 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. - Jhn 14:23 KJV
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. - Jhn 14:24 KJV
These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you. - Jhn 14:25 KJV
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. - Jhn 14:26 KJV
There is NO Way that this is talking about a prophet. This is CLEARLY speaking of the Holy Spirit. The only way you can get Mohammed out of this is by reading into the scripture and leaving out the majority of what the text actually says! Just look at vs. 17: How is this the the disciples ALREADY Knew Mohammed? Also, How could it be that "He will be in them'? I don't think so! The Holy Spirit CAN be WITH and IN someone (I know because He now lives in me!:))
Finally, how can you COMPLETLY IGNORE what John 14:26 says: "But the Comforter, [which is] THE HOLY GHOST". (Notice....NOT a prophet, NOT MOHAMMED).
So, finally, you can only believe what you believe by ignoring the actual teaching of the Bible.
Don't rely on your own understanding....acknowledge the Lord Jehovah and allow Him His rightful place AS God in your life. You don't have to understand the Trinity.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
1. Begotten Son of God is nowhere in Bible. Son of God is there; but the word BEGOTTEN is not there in Bible. You refer Greek Bible, you will not find BEGOTTEN in it. People had put BEGOTTEN with a malicious intention in some English translations. But most of the English version also does not have word BEGOTTEN. Indian translation also does not have anything like BEGOTTEN. See this verse below;
John 1:12 "All who believed him & accepted him, they are the God-begotten; not blood-begotten, not flesh begotten, not sex-begotten"
It is clearly mentioned here who are BEGOTTEN.
2. Yes, sacrifice is also required to get rid of sin. But the sacrifice is to be made by the sinner. If you do sin, you have to make your sacrifice by your wealth or blood. Nobody can pay for your sin. Jesus can not pay for your sin.
"(Dt 24: 16)--The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." It is very clear that Jesus can not pay for other's sin.
3. Everybody comes from GOD. You &me have also come from God. We haveRoh in us breathed by God. But the Prophets & Messengers are sent by God with specific missions. That is why we say-'They are sent by God'. Jesus said--He is sent by Father. He is just like other Prophets.
4. Holy Spirit was available in this earth before the birth of Jesus. Holy Spirit came to Mary. John was filled with Holy Spirit when he was in womb of his mother. Jesus received Holy Spirit at the time of baptized. Jesus himself breathed Holy Spirit to his 12 disciples before he went up to God. Then why Jesus is required to request God to send this Holy Spirit again? It is already available here with all his disciples.. So, the comforter/Advocate/ Helper/ Counselor which to be sent after Jesus is NOT Holy Spirit. It is somebody else & He is the last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
So, my dear friend, use your wisdom & understand the truth. Truth is very simple to understand. Use your commonsense & you will get it. If you say that you have already paid for my sin, it will be stupidity on my part to believe you.
At 08:50 AM 9/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You are once again IGNORING the plain reading of Scripture. I send you scriptures that more than demonstrate what the Bible says but you ignore them and then will write back later and say that I never addressed your questions. You are lying to yourself. You are WILLFULLLY rejecting God's word, and in so doing, are calling God a liar. I can't help you ifyou choose to live in darkness. God will NOT force you to come to Him. He can't, for He His nature is love. He loves you very much, not because of what you've done,but because He is your Creator.
Spirit live in your heart? If so, when did that happen? He does live in me. It started when I first believed in Jesus. As a result, I am born of God and now I know God (the God that you say I CANNOT KNOW!) So, by your response, I KNOW YOU DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT LIVING IN YOU. You have admitted that you do not know God, for you said 'it is impossible to know God'.
What do you think? Should we continue on or should we end this dialogue? I really want you to come to know Him, but if you're not interested, what's the point?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
1. You said Monogenos means 'single of its kind or only'. Yes, the miraculous birth of Jesus is the only of this kind; it is unique. Only Adam& Eve was born without father & mother. In that sense you can term it as Monogenos. But why you use the word BEGOTTEN? What is the real meaning of BEGOTTEN? Can you please elaborate.
2 & 3. You did not have anything to reply or you do not have any explanation for my statement in para 2 & 3. So, I take it as you have accepted my explanations.
4. We do not take any guidance from any spirits. We take guidance from Qur'an & Hadith. That is our light from God. If your spirit tells you that Jesus is God, I am sure that spirit is of Devil's.
At 12:29 PM 9/6/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
If you really want to know what Begotten means, look at what I have pasted below. It is copied directly from www.blueletterbible.org
If the links don't work, go to the website, type in 'begotten' and make sure the small box is checked where it says "Strongs'. This will show the greek or hebrew words and their meanings, as they are defined in the Strongs Concordance. On this site, this only works when you look up scriptures in the KJV (King James Version).
You will see two words that are used for begotten. #3439 and # 1080. All of these particular scriptures refer to Jesus.
You asked me 'how can you say it means begotten'? OK, if it doesn't mean begotten (born) what does it mean? Try to substitute the word you think it means into the contextof the sentences below and show me how it makes sense.......
As for your assertions that I didn't answer # 2 and #3, go back and look at what you wrote and what my reply was. I think you are missing what I actually said.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I wanted to know the real meaning of BEGOTTEN. But you did not explain what is begotten; rather you gave me some other references. But Bible say very clearly who are BEGOTTEN. You referred John 1:14. But you start reading from John 1:12.
John 1:12-- "But whoever did want him, who believed he was who he claimed and would do what he said, He made to be their true selves, their child-of-God selves. 13. These are the God-begotten,, not blood-begotten, not flesh-begotten, not sex-begotten.
Here very clearly mentioned that all who believes Jesus & obey what he said are GOD-begotten. But they are not related with God by flesh, blood or sex. Now you read John 1:14 & you will understand who is Jesus.
John 1:14..." The word became flesh & blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, one of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, generous inside & out, true from start to finish."
Have you seen here, the begotten son is not mentioned in this translation? This is the true translation. Jesus is also not related with God by flesh, blood or sex.. You must understand it very clearly.
At 10:01 AM 9/7/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Here is the definition of beget. Begotten is the past participle of Beget, so in order to understand what Begotten means, you need toknow what Beget means.
Since we are speaking English, we need to go to an English dictionary.This is from dictionary.com
1. (especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring). 2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.
Synonyms :1. spawn, sire, breed, father. 2. occasion, engender, effect, generate.
So, this is what Begotten means. Jesus was the ONLY Begotten of the Father.
You said that your translation of the Bible reads like this in John 1:12-13
John 1: 12-- "But whoever did want him, who believed he was who he
claimed and would do what he said, He made to be their true selves,
their child-of-God selves. 13. These are the God-begotten,, not
blood-begotten, not flesh-begotten, not sex-begotten.
The bible translation you are reading disagrees with ALL of otherversions.
I know you don't understand how Jesus could be 'of God', or be part of God. Honestly, it doesn't matter what we think or know about who He is, it's important that we accept that He died for our sins and rose from the dead. Once you are born of God, then you will know God and you will knowthe truth about Who He is and also, who YOU are!Jesus said" if you believe in God, believe ALSO in Me".
This is the scripture i read this week....
John 14:15“If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
The One that Jesus sent is not a prophet, He is the Holy Spirit. This is what the Bible says. I don't say this to offend you, but becauseit is what Jesus said and it is the Truth.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
So, it is clear that different people have translated same verse in different ways. Some body has said he is begotten son of God; some body said he is son of God; somebody said like Father like son. Problem is that this different types of translations for same verse give different meanings altogether. There is a scope of interpreting it in different ways by different thought of schools. When you translate it further to another language, it will change further & it will lose its original meanings. That is what happened with the present Bible. You have to fight hard to find the truth from it.
You have quoted from John 14:15“If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever
If you love Jesus, obey his Command. And what is the Command of Jesus? When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17).
The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3).
Do you love Jesus? If you love him, you must proclaim--Isaiah 44: 6 ;'Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] no God'..
May God help you to find the real truth.
At 08:41 AM 9/8/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Thank you for caring. I am grateful that the Lord does love me and I know that He knows that I have obeyed and still do obey and love Him.Here's another thing He gave me, today, for you:
John 16:27-17:5For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. - Jhn 16:27 KJV
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. - Jhn 16:28 KJV
His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. - Jhn 16:29 KJV
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. - Jhn 16:30 KJV
Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? - Jhn 16:31 KJV
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. - Jhn 16:32 KJV
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. - Jhn 16:33 KJV
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: - Jhn 17:1 KJV
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. - Jhn 17:2 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - Jhn 17:3 KJV
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. - Jhn 17:4 KJV
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - Jhn 17:5 KJV
Again, these are verses that I read today during my quiet time. Most of the verses I have been giving you lately have been in perfect line with the dailyreadings I have been doing. I believe this is the Lord giving you, through me, His Word directly, for He loves you.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
If you read John 16: & John 17: very carefully, you will get the whole gist what Jesus wanted to tell to his disciples before he was put to cross. Jesus knew that his time is going to end very soon, so he gave his final advices & speeches to his disciples. He also prayed to God for his disciples so that God takes care of his people after his departure. John 17: shows that Jesus was sent by God for a mission. Now Jesus has completed his mission; he did whatever is ordered by God; he has delivered all to his people whatever God gave him to deliver; now his disciple had come to know that Jesus was sent by God & they have believed it. Jesus prayed to God for his disciples so that God loved them as God loved him.
His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. - Jhn 16:29 KJV. This is the time when his disciples confessed that Jesus is speaking in clear language without any proverb; because his previous speeches were full of rhetoric & proverb which no body understood. They were totally confused as you people are confused now.
These two chapters very clearly shows that Jesus was sent by God as Messenger & he delivered all to his people whatever he was ordered to deliver by God. Jesus did not claim that he himself is God & people should worship him. He insisted people to believe that he is sent by God.
You said --" I am grateful that the Lord does love me and I know that He knows that I have obeyed and still do obey and love Him."
Can you prove that you have obeyed God? God said----Isaiah 44: 6 ;'Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] no God'..
But, you have added up two more Gods & thus disobeying God..
And Jesus said--When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17).
The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3).
But You do not follow the Commandments & you do not believe in Oneness of God. So, you are disobeying Jesus also.
You people are DISOBEYING both God & Jesus. How you can expect Love from God & Jesus. Whatever you feel in your heart is nothing, but from Devil &Satan. They are very happy that they could misguide you.
.At 04:08 AM 9/9/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I have read John 16 and 17 carefully, as you asked.What did Jesus means here: ?
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. - Jhn 17:2 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - Jhn 17:3 KJV
How can a prophet give us eternal life? Especially when you consider that Jesus defined eternal life as knowing God and Jesus Christ.Does Moses give eternal life? Does Mohammed?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
You have a very wrong concept about all Prophets & Messengers of God. All Prophets have come from God to give Eternal Life to his people. Starting from Adam and then Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jonah, Idris, John, Zachariah& Jesus, all came to give eternal life to his people/tribes/race/language. Only Mohammad (PBUH) came for the whole mankind. That is why he is the last prophet & Qur'an is the last testament. Qur'an is an eternal book lasting till the doom's day. Nobody can change a single letter from it. God has declared that He will protect this Qur'an Himself. If you destroy all the written Qur'an on this earth, yet you cannot abolish it from the surface of earth; because thousand of people have memorized Qur'an by heart from A-Z during all ages. Any time they can produce the written copy.
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." - Jhn 17:3 KJV. Here you can find out the conditions for getting eternal life. You have to know the only True God & Jesus who is sent by God. ONLY True God means there is only ONE God. Other Gods are not true. And you have to believe that Jesus is sent by God. Jews does not believe that Jesus is sent by God. They take Jesus as a common man. But we Muslims believe that Jesus is sent by God. I do not understand why you people try to misinterpret this type of clear verses? Anybody can understand it without confusion.
At 04:01 AM 9/9/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You have said in the past that Jesus was not ordained by God to be killed, but was killed by evil men alone. What then did Jesus mean here?
Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? - Jhn 18:11 KJV
This He said in the Garden where the Roman soldiers and Jews came to take Jesus to be crucified. Jesus said here that the Father had given himthis cup to drink. So, what cup was Jesus speaking about? Was it not to die on the cross?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Jesus did not say that the cup is to die on cross. This cup may be the capture & torture by the Roman soldiers What Jesus meant here that he will accept whatever is ordained by God. It is your assumption that he will die on cross & he will die for your sin. God does not stop anybody doing some evils. But he will be punished for his evil doings on the Day of Judgment. But everything is in the knowledge of God. God knows what you have done, what you are doing now & what you will be doing in future. But you are free to do whatever you want to do. You will be judged on the Day of Judgment.
At 11:06 AM 9/10/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You are wrong. You said that Jesus did not say that He would die on the cross nor that He would die for the sins of the world.He said both of these things emphatically ( expressly).Here He said how He would die:Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The only way you can deny that this is true is by rejecting the entire new Injil, yet you keep quoting from it.Is it true or not? You cannot have it both ways. It is either all true, or all false. Jesus either is who He said He was in the Injil, OR, He's a liar, or a madman.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
John 12:33 is the explanation of the writer himself. But what Jesus said is given in John 12:32. "I, as I am lifted up from the earth, will attract everyone to me." Jesus did not say that he will die on cross. He said, he will be lifted up from the earth. We also say same. Qur'an also declared that Jesus is lifted up towards God. So, what is your confusion?
Matthew 26:28 is talking about the Bread &Wine . Jesus said this bread is his body & this wine is his blood. He is not talking about his real blood. These are all symbolic. You people failed to get the real truth behind it. You took it as real blood of Jesus which is not correct.
At 11:26 AM 9/10/2012, you wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You say that you know God, correct? Jesus said ' my sheep hear my voice " . Do you hear Jesus' voice? Has He ever spoken to you? What did He say?
The Apostle John gave a test for us to see if we were truly born again.
He said this:1Jo 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Do you love those who are born again, of God? No, you say in fact that we have a demon.This is EXACTLY what the Jews said about Jesus. And here you are repeating about me, What they said about Him.Wonder why?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
True followers of Jesus are not Demon. Whosoever believes in him that he is sent by God & obeys his command will get eternal life. "And Jesus said--When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17). The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3). "
If you obey this, you are his true follower. If you do otherwise, you are a DEMON. Is it clear? Nothing is more clear than this.
Jesus said ' my sheep hear my voice " . Do you hear Jesus' voice? Has He ever spoken to you? What did He say?
Do you know who are the sheep of Jesus for whom he has come? Mathew 15:24 Jesus said-“I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”. So, he has come only for the people of Israel; NOT for YOU & not for me as well. If you hear something, it is not from Jesus, it is from Demon.
I do not have any blood of Israel. Naturally, I am not a sheep of Jesus. So, question of Jesus talking to me does not arise at all. What about you? Do you have blood of Israel?
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
One another point you seem to agree with the Jews of Jesus day.......They killed Jesus for saying that God was His father.......Do you think they misunderstood what He was saying, or do you think they knew exactlyWhat He was saying....that God was His actual father......not like we become children of God by faith.....for the Jews themselves already said they were children of God, through Abraham....no, they knew what Jesus was saying. He was saying that He was born directly of God. That God was His father and Mary His mother......Making Him equal with God.
Jhn 5:18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Jews also killed John the Baptist. What was his fault? This is the nature of Jews to kill their prophets. They somehow find out some fault & kill them. Qur'an condemned this &condemn this nation also. So, do not think Jews killed Jesus because Jesus said he is son of God. It was a plea to kill him.
At 11:19 AM 9/10/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
On another point...I previously said that as Jesus hung on the cross, He said the first words to Psalm 22. You completely rejected that idea, telling me that the Psalm was not at all about Jesus. Here is something I read today during my daily reading of God’s word......
Jhn 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.
Jhn 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
What Scripture was John referring to here in verse 24? Now look at Pslam 22:
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Even God testifies in His Word that Jesus' death on the cross was foretold on Psalm 22. (My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me......)
Jesus, the Lamb of God who comes to take away the sin of the world.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
These are the Prayer of David to God Almighty. Jews used to use same prayers for their worship. You also repeat the same wordings in your prayer. Jesus did also. So, it is not unlikely that Jesus will use the same prayers of David when he was in trouble. Do not try to find out some twisted meanings in it.
At 07:52 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You do not believe the Bible is the Word of God, it's very obvious. Your understanding of it is based on this unbelief.Jesus said that He came so we could no longer live in darkness.I pray someday you will come to him. I know you think you are right and thatI am wrong and that I believe the same thing.I cannot prove the truth to you and, honestly, you have made absolutely nocompelling case for Isalm in any of your writings, not that I'm at all open toit anyway, but IF Islam were at all true, you'd think you would be able tomake a compelling argument in favor of it.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I never tried to preach Islam to you. But I fervently want that you people follow exactly what Jesus told to you. If you truly follow Jesus, you are following Islam; because there is no difference in teaching among Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus & Mohammad. All of them are sent by God Almighty, the Only One God. This is the Truth, the whole Truth & Only Truth.
However, if you want to know the Islam, I can help you.......
At 09:18 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Jesus also said:
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
He was also prophesied to come 'as a light to the gentiles'.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Yes, you are correct. Jesus was also prophesied to come 'as a light to the gentiles'. When Jesus comes second time, he will join gentiles; he will join Muslim & fight the Jews & their allies who are Anti-Christ.
At 04:58 AM 9/12/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You say this and yet, you reject His teaching and His people. How do you reconcile this in your heart? You believe only the parts of the Bible you want and reject the others! You're a play actor! You're no different than the religious people Jesus rebuked when He was here the firstTime. You tie heavy burdens on people, which you yourself are unable to bear.He came to set people free from sin, not to enslave them to a lifeOf failure and ruin. " I have come that they may have life, and that, more abundantly ".
KHALILUR RAHMAN
But Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" But you people disobeyed him &abandoned it. What is your explanation? Can you show me a single verse where Jesus said that you do not need commandment?
At 09:23 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Got it. You don't hear His voice.Oh, by the way. You also don't keep the commandments of God.You try to keep them, but you must admit that you fail sometimes.The problem with failing is that it is a violation of the Holiness of God anda sacrifice must be made to pay for that sin, or else you have to. (The soulthat sins, it will die and without the shedding of blood there can be nor remissionfor sins).
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Also, go back and look at the verse you quoted....it was followed by this:
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
So, have YOU sold everything you have and given the money to the poor? if not,according to your logic, you will NOT be going to heaven.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
This is the verse you have quoted in your mail & you asked me---",So, have YOU sold everything you have and given the money to the poor? if not,according to your logic, you will NOT be going to heaven." Why you are asking this question to me? You claim to be the follower of Jesus. So, I should ask you whether you have followed this instruction of Jesus & sold everything for the poor? If not, you are disobeying the instruction of Jesus . Still you are claiming that Jesus is living in your heart?
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At 09:58 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Why would I want to go back into darkness? The teachings of Islam are not life, they are death, for no one can keep the commandments that you teach, for all people are by nature sinners.You MUST be born again. Once you are born again, you begin to be able to please the father.
Jesus said this: Mat 7:15 KJV - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 KJV - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 KJV - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 KJV - A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 KJV - Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit and neither does a good tree bring forth evil fruit.You must first make the tree good. Jesus makes good trees. That is, He came to fulfill the prophecy given back in Jeremiah 31: this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
You MUST be born again. When you are, the law is placed in your heart. That is, you receive a new nature and are FREE to obey God. You are no longer a slaveof sin, like you were. You are now free to obey God and to resist sin, for you have the Holy Spirit living in you and you are a new creation in Christ.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
How you claim that Islam is not a good tree & it does not give good fruits? Show me which teaching of Islam is not good? You study Islam & compare with your Bible. You will then find the real TRUTH.
Jeremiah 31: this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
This is the Promise God made with the people of Israel. God wants to write the Law in their hearts. But you people have thrown out this law out of your heart. How you can claim that you are the people of God?
At 09:35 AM 9/11/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Nope. Not true. Jehovah did not sent Mohammed. His teachings are contrary to the Word of God and his disciples are violently in opposition to the Children of God (those who are born again of the Holy Spirit), proving that he was not of God, for Jesus said those who love Him, love those who are born of Him.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Is there any verse in your Bible where it is said that no more Prophets & Messengers of God will be sent after Jesus? If it is not there, how you can claim that God did not send Mohammad as his Prophet?
At 11:11 AM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I have never said (and of course, Jesus has never said) that we should abandon the Law. But what you do notunderstand, the entire Injil is about the fact that mankind is INCAPABLE of keeping the Law!The Law was not given to make one perfect.You see, the Law IS perfect! But man is not!God knows this. He gave the law to show man what perfect looks like and to teach them that only HE can makeone perfect.That doesn't mean we do not obey Him! On the Contrary, I LOVE JESUS, and THEREFORE, I OBEY HIM.
Here is a scripture that Jesus spoke to the people who, in His day, thought that they could become perfect byknowing the Law.
Jhn 5:39 KJV - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40 KJV - And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Jhn 5:41 KJV - I receive not honour from men.
Jhn 5:42 KJV - But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Jhn 5:43 KJV - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Jhn 5:44 KJV - How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?
Jhn 5:45 KJV - Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
Jhn 5:46 KJV - For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Jhn 5:47 KJV - But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
In this mail you have said---"I have never said (and of course, Jesus has never said) that we should abandon the Law." This is only words of your mouth. But practically you have abandoned Law under the prescription of Paul.
Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeyed Jesus. Everybody knows it; yet you are trying to convince me by telling lie.
You have quoted from John 5:39-47. These are the verses where Jesus trying to convince the Jews that they should believe regarding Jesus is sent by God. Jews were not believing that Jesus is sent by God.. So, Jesus was putting all arguments that he is sent by God & Jews should believe it. There is nothing more than this.
At 12:17 PM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You tell me that I should study Islam. Why? there is nothing to study in Islam. Everything you have told me about Islam, prove that it is anti-biblical, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christ, why would I ever bother studying it? What doesit have to actually offer me?
How does Islam fulfill what Jesus said here: "come to me, all you who labor and are heave
laden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light".? It doesn't. No, instead, it ties heavy burdens on men’s shoulders that people are squashed by. This isnot God's will. God is love and His love proves His true hate. His hate is for those things that destroy thosewhom He loves (us). God, God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believesin Him should not perish but have everlasting life".
You said the promise to of God to write the law on the heart, is only for Jews. Ok, let's say that's true.How, then, can you call them anti-Christ, when God has promised to write His law on their hearts?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
If you do not study Islam, you do not have any right to comment on Islam. I do comment on your religion because I study your scripture & quote from your Bible to show that you are not following Jesus. When I show you that you are disobeying Jesus by not following the instruction of Jesus, you start discussing irrelevant things without replying my question. I know you cannot explain; but you don't have enough courage to confess it.
When you quote something from Bible , please give reference from where you are quoting. Otherwise it becomes difficult for me to correlate & reply.
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
At 12:30 PM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You asked me "how can you say that God has not sent Mohammed'.I say that God has not sent Mohammed, because he teaches about 'another Jesus', 'another gospel'and 'another god', other than the One taught in the Bible.He is completely inconsistent with the teachings of the Torah and Injil, and even contradicting the clear teachingof the Bible.
I personally know God. I met Him when He came to abide in me by His Spirit.I was born again.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
You said---I say that God has not sent Mohammed, because he teaches about 'another Jesus', 'another gospel' and 'another god', other than the One taught in the Bible.
You show me a single verse from Qur'an which teaches about 'another Jesus', 'another gospel' and 'another god', other than the One taught in the Bible. If you are bold enough, take this challenge.
You claimed---"I personally know God. I met Him when He came to abide in me by His Spirit." Your this statement is totally false because nobody can see God during this life. This is not my word; Your Bible says so. When Moses wanted to see God, note how God reacted--Exodus 33:22-23 God continued, “ But you may not see my face. No one can see me & live”. A powerful Prophet like Moses could not see God. How a man like Mr Donald can see God? If you really see something, it is not God, it must be Devil, because God cannot tell lie. You are also claiming that God abides in you. Qur'an says-- All human hearts are under the control of two fingers of God... God's Throne extends over the Heavens & Earth...no heart can conceive Him... no eyes can see Him...but He is all hearing, all seeing." How you can accommodate God in your tiny heart? Ridiculous!!!
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
At 12:30 PM 9/14/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I ask you this question (if you have sold everything and given to the poor) to make the point that your means ofrighteousness is UNATTAINABLE.You believe that through the keeping of laws and saying of prayers that you are made righteous before God.I am telling you that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be perfect and if you are not perfect, then you CANNOT be saved.
God is not going to change. God is perfect. He is an 'all-consuming fire'. An all-consuming fire destroys all that is not pure. For example, pure gold is made pure by heating it up in a great heat. As it is heated the dross (impurities) float to the top and are skimmed off. They keep heating the gold over and over until they getall of the impurities possible out of it and then label it 'pure' (which is something like 99.99 percent pure.
God is purer than that. Anyone who is not perfect, dwell in fellowship with Him, for either He would have tobecome imperfect (which can never happen) or the person who desires to live in His presence must bemade perfect.Since we cannot even understand what perfection is, it is impossible for us to attain. However, God has saidthat His Law is good and perfect. And He said "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them."
A person who wishes to be RIGHTEOUS before God by the law, MUST live by the law.However, they cannot! NO ONE is perfect. NO ONE is able to be perfect.
However, GOD made a way! He gives His Holy Spirit to live in the heart of a humble one. He gives them
a new heart, on which the Law of God is written. They, by nature begin to do those things that are pleasing toGod and those things that were against the law, He has taken out of the way and has nailed them to the cross.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Why you are telling that the Laws are un-attainable? Jews are following the Laws; Muslims are following. Qur'an says---"God will not put any burden on you which you cannot bear." Sometimes you may do wrong. But you repent & you will be forgiven. Sometimes you are punished here in this world. That will also remit your sin. Finally on the Day of Judgment, your deeds right or wrong will be weighed. If you have more good deeds, your sin will be erased & you will go to heaven. If you have more wrong deeds, you will be sent to hell to cleanse your wrong deeds by hell fire like gold is purified by fire. Once you are purified, you will enter heaven.
Jesus did not stop the Laws. He has strengthen it. You read from Matthew 5:17 onwards; you will find that Jesus has modified each Law & insisted to follow it. You may read Matthew 18: onward, you will again find out how Jesus has modified Laws & insisted to follow it. So, Jesus never abandoned Law. It is Paul who has disobeyed Jesus & misguided people. Paul has taken away Laws & nailed it to cross.
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25). Can you deny it that you have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
At 01:13 PM 9/16/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
First, let me say in NO uncertain terms: I DIRECTLY answer every question you have and almost always include actual addresses of the scriptures I quote.
That said, you wrote:
I ask you to explain this again. Jesus said--"Follow the Commandment of Moses" . But Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3: 25). Can you deny it thatyou have abandoned Law & directly disobeying Jesus? Everybody knows it. Can you explain why you are disobeying Jesus regarding this?
If you REALLY wish to know what I am saying, then actually read the entire chapter and learnthe context. Paul nor I am contradicting Jesus. First, Jesus did not say that we would besaved by keeping the commandment of Moses. Instead He said the law was perfect, but thatwe all as sheep had gone astray and we need Him (Jesus) to save us from our sin.
If you don't believe this, then anything I say will not make sense to you.But, here's the entire chapter of Galatians 3, so you might begin to hear what the Spirit is saying:
Gal 3:1 KJV - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?Gal 3:2 KJV - This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? ……………………….. --------------.Gal 3:23 KJV - But before faith came, nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.Gal 3:29 KJV - And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
I do not understand why you have quoted the whole chapter of Galatians? I said Galatians is written by Paul & he has advised people not to follow the Laws which is a clear disobedience of Jesus. You said, " Jesus did not say that we would be saved by keeping the commandment of Moses." You are telling lie. Certainly Jesus said so. You read the whole chapter of Matthew 5: & you will come to know about all Laws of Moses which is discussed by Jesus himself. Jesus is more strict than Moses regarding these laws.
Mathew 5:17-20 “Do not think that I come to destroy the Law and commandments of Moses, but to strengthen them.”
Mathew 18:16-21 People asked-“How to get eternal life in Heaven.” Jesus said- “Obey the Commandments of God.”
Jesus said, for eternal life you have to obey the Commandments. You will obey this only when you believe that Jesus is sent by God. If you don't believe Jesus & believe the advice of Paul, I am sure you are over-ridden by Devil.
At 01:27 PM 9/16/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
You said I should show you a SINGLE verse in the Koran that teaches another Jesus. OK.Instead of arguing with you, I wish to first introduce you to more information.
Over 1400 years ago, Muhammad (Mohammed) was born in Arabia. His father Abdullah was of the tribe of Qureyshi, and died before Muhammad was born.
As a lad, Muhammad traveled to Syria with his uncle on merchant caravans. Years later, he made the same journey while working for a wealthy widow named Khadijah. He later married her and, even though he was 15 years younger than she was, they had a good marriage.
Muhammad soon gained rank among the notables of Mecca. The Meccans claimed to be descendants of Abraham (Ibrahim).
As one who abhorred evil, Muhammad detested those who disobeyed the Scriptures. He was familiar with the teachings of the Jewish and Christian holy book the Bible (perhaps in reading it himself, if he was literate, or in learning of it through oral means via storytelling). He was very upset with the hypocrisy among the people: the idol worship, and anything dishonoring to God was very revolting to Him. He believed that Allah had revealed the Torah and the gospels (the Injil).
"ALLAH is HE besides Whom there is none worthy of worship, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. HE has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and HE has sent down the Torah (Law of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guidance to the people; and HE has sent down the Discrimination (judgement between right and wrong)."Qur'an, Surah 3:3-4
One who was greatly respected by Muhammad was Abraham (Ibrahim), whom he called an upright and righteous man.
"Abraham was indeed a paragon of virtue, obedient to ALLAH, ever inclined to HIM, and he was not of those who set up equals with ALLAH; Ever grateful for HIS favours: HE chose him and guided him to a straight path. And WE bestowed on him good in this world, and in the Hereafter he will surely be among the righteous. And now WE have sent revelation to thee, enjoining, 'Follow the way of Abraham who was ever inclined to ALLAH and was not of those who set up equals to HIM.'"Qur'an, Surah 16:121-124
Abraham was also looked upon as one who fulfilled God's commands:
"And remember when his Lord tried Abraham with certain commandments which he fulfilled, HE said, 'I will make thee a leader of men.' Abraham asked, 'And from among my offspring?' God said, 'MY covenant does not embrace the transgressors.’ “Qur’an, Surah 2:125
Muhammad also had great understanding of the scriptures and faith in the angels who told Zechariah he would have a son (as in Luke 1:18, 57-60).
"So her Lord accepted her with gracious acceptance and caused her to grow an excellent growth and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the chamber, he found with her provisions. He said, 'O Mary whence hast thou this ?' She replied, 'It is from ALLAH.' Surely ALLAH gives to whomsoever HE pleases without measure.
Then and there did Zachariah pray to his Lord, saying, 'My Lord grant me from Thyself pure offspring; surely thou art the Hearer of Prayer.'
And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the chamber, 'ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of Yahya, who shall testify to the truth of a word from ALLAH - noble and chaste and a Prophet, from among the righteous.
He said 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when old age has overtaken me already, and my wife is barren?' He answered, 'Such is the way of ALLAH; HE does what HE pleases,'
He said 'My Lord, give me a commandment.' He replied, 'The commandment for thee is that thou shalt not speak to men for three days except by signs.
And remember thy Lord much and glorify HIM in the evening and in the early morning.' And remember when the angels said, 'ALLAH has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above all women of the time.
'O Mary, be obedient to thy Lord and prostrate thyself and worship the one God with those who worship HIM.'
This is of the tidings of things unseen which WE reveal to thee. And thou was not with them when they cast their arrows, as to which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor was thou with them when they disputed with one another.
When the angels said, 'O Mary, ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from HIM; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;
'And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous.
She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of ALLAH. HE creates what HE pleases. When HE decrees a thing HE says to it 'Be,' and it is; “Qur’an, Surah 3:38-48
Muhammad also speaks of the resurrection of Jesus:
"Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt. “Qur’an, Surah 19:30-35
In calling Jesus a messenger, Muhammad was also correct. He did not mean that Jesus was not the Messiah. Muhammad knew that one could be a messenger and not be a Messiah… but as The Messiah, one is also a messenger.
Jesus was both a messenger and The Messiah that Allah had promised! What is a Messiah? A Messiah is always known as "a Saviour… a liberator and a deliverer." God had promised to send one (Messiah) to pay the debt of sin for all mankind.
The Messiah!… God's gift to sinful man… The Saviour… The Liberator… Our Redeemer. The prophets of the Torah foretold of His coming. Muhammad and his Disciples revered Him… the Qur'an and the Biblereveal Him! The Messiah… The Saviour of the world! Neither the Qur'an nor the Bible speak of any other as being the Messiah!!!
Dear friend, that is the most profound truth! And it is truth that cannot be denied. Jesus is the one and only Messiah. He is the Saviour. He is the Messiah of the Muslims, the Jews, and the Gentiles. Millions throughout the world of every nation and creed accept Him as Saviour.
Many have followed false Messiahs and had their lives ended in death. They were sincere, but they were sincerely wrong. Had they only accepted the indisputable claim that Jesus is the Messiah, they would have found the peace that they were looking for, and the eternal life that God has promised to all who will accept Jesus as Messiah… the Saviour of the world. Yes, Isah Al Masih loves you! The Messiah that Muhammad wrote about… to forgive you and to be your Saviour… your Liberator… your Deliverer from sin. History tells us that He was crucified and died on across. History tells us that three days later there was an empty tomb. History, and hundreds of eye witnesses, tell us that He rose from the dead. But sadly many also reject the love and forgiveness God has offered in Jesus.
Allah has given you a free will. YOU must make a choice. You cannot be neutral.
Don't take this writer's word for it. Investigate for yourself the claims of Muhammad, the prophecies in the Torah, and the life of Jesus written in the Bible. The prophecies that were fulfilled by His birth, life, death and resurrection.
Check out the reasons why Paul, the greatest persecutor of Jesus' followers, became such a strong believer in Jesus as the Messiah… and why he became the world's greatest missionary.
If you are not already a follower of Isah (Jesus), you must make a choice 1) to believe that Jesus is the Messiah OR 2) to reject Him as Saviour. You can choose to believe the Messiah, Jesus, who said He would, and did, rise from the dead. Allah gave Jesus, born miraculously through Mary (Maryam, Sura 3:45) as Muhammed agreed, to the world… for you.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."John 3:16
("Son of God" does not mean that God had physical relations with Mary, but rather that God willed it supernaturally that Mary would become the earthly mother of Jesus even as a virgin. See Surah 3:47-48)
Allah loves you. How could anyone want to reject such a wonderful love… reject Allah's forgiveness… His promises of eternal life?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
I am very happy that you have started giving quotations from Qur'an. It is a very good sign. All Muslims believe what is given in Qur'an regarding Jesus. In fact, I quoted this Surah to you long before in one of my mails. Have you noted that the first miracle of Jesus was that he talked to the people at his infant when he was on the cradle?
"Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt. “Qur’an, Surah 19:30-35
Here, Jesus is declaring that he is the servant of Allah. Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet"
All Muslims also believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Now you can debate on the meaning of Messiah. But, we Muslims are very clear about his teachings & missions. We do not have any doubt. We know exactly what will be his mission on his 2nd coming.
Qur'an also says in Surah 5:72-73--"...Anybody says Jesus is God or says Jesus is one in three (trinity), certainly he is kafir( disbeliever)"
There is only ONE God & He is the Redeemer. Your Bible also say so. Isaiah 44:6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] noGod.
At 04:12 AM 9/17/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I don't know which specific scripture you are quoting when you say that Jesus said "Follow the commandment of Moses", pleasesend me that again.
But, for now, here's what the Bible teaches about the Law (OLD Covenant) and Grace (NEW Covenant). The New Covenant did NOT abolish the Old, it FULFILLS it. Those who come to God based on His Grace,are considered righteous before God, as though they have kept ALL of the Law.
By the way. Today is the Feast of Trumpets, are you observing this appointment with God? If not, you are in violation of the Law of Moses.This is CLEARLY part of the Law, so if you do not obey the keeping of this Holy Day and it's requirements, you are not obeying the commandment of God, because,you are living by the Law. (I do not live by the law, but by Grace, so I am not in disobedience.)
Here's some scriptures to help you understand what God has done......Jhn 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
So, now the logical question is: what does John mean by 'grace and truth'?
I will now quote something Jesus taught. It is important for you to remember that the same John, who wrote the above scripturewas directly taught by Jesus, so you have to consider that he understood the things that Jesus was teaching and that theInjil is a reliable account of the things that Jesus both said and did.Jesus said, as written here in the book of Mark:
Mar 7:18 KJV - And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, [it] cannot defile him;Mar 7:19 KJV - Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?Mar 7:20 KJV - And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.Mar 7:22 KJV - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Mar 7:23 KJV - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
As you can see here, Jesus is teaching that it's not the keeping of the commandments about the ceremonial washing of handsthat make someone unrighteous. It's what comes out of the heart, not what goes into the body that makes someone righteous.
Now, look again at what Jesus said that comes out of the heart of man: thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy,pride, foolishness. Not a pretty picture. How can a man stop such things from coming out of his heart? this is very important, because these are the thingswhich are against the commands of God.
Let's see what Jesus said about the heart:A young man comes to him, who wants to know how he can have eternal life. Jesus tells him to keep the commandments and he says that he does keep them and has kept them since he was a Child.This tells us a couple of things. First is that the young man seems to think that he DOES not have eternal life already, and wasn't sureif he would go to heaven.
Mat 19:16 KJV - And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?Mat 19:17 KJV - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.Mat 19:18 KJV - He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,Mat 19:19 KJV - Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Mat 19:20 KJV - The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Again,we see that the young man felt like there was something lacking in his life. What does Jesus say to him? Does He tell him to keep the commandments, as yousay that Jesus is saying?Let's see.......
Mat 19:21 KJV - Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
Jesus tells the young man that is he wants to be PERFECT (mature, complete), that he must 'go and sell...and give to the poor', and THEN he would have treasure in heaven. But wait,does Jesus end it here? No. The MOST IMPORTANT PART is what He says at the end. Jesus says: 'COME, FOLLOW ME'.
Why must this young man, and you and I by extension, "come and follow' Jesus? Can't we just keep the commandments to be saved? What does it mean to 'come and follow' Him?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
The verses you have quoted are very important & very clear. If you understand them, it will be easy for you to follow Jesus. I will discuss all of them one by one.
Jhn 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
This verse does not stop you to follow the Laws of Moses. It says your faith is now complete with Laws, Grace & Truth. Grace & Truth is added with Laws to make a complete code.
.Mar 7:22 KJV - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Mar 7:23 KJV - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
This verse shows that all evils things come out from within. Laws teaches you that you must control yourself & keep these evils out of your heart; otherwise you will be punished here on earth & after your death also. These verses tell you to strictly follow the law.
Mat 19:16 KJV - And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?Mat 19:17 KJV - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus is asking the man why he calls Jesus good. There is only one good & He is God; even Jesus is NOT good. Have you marked the difference between God & Jesus? Jesus is nothing compared to God Almighty. Jesus also instructed the man to keep commandments if he wants to enter into life. Very clear instruction from Jesus that you have to keep commandments if you want eternal life; no confusion, no ambiguity.
Mat 19:18 KJV - He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,Mat 19:19 KJV - Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Here Jesus has elaborated the list of commandments which should be kept by the man. He has clarified the commandments & asked to follow them.
Mat 19:20 KJV - The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Mat 19:21 KJV - Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
The man asked what more he can do? Jesus found that the man wants further sacrifice. So, he instructed the man to sell out everything & distribute them to the poor& follow him. This is the extreme sacrifice on way to God Almighty. But a very few people can do that much sacrifice. Common people may not go to that much extreme.
This is now clear that Jesus always insisted to keep the Laws. And he instructed very elaborately.
At 10:12 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to the disciples. He also lived and taught on earth, for 40 days after He rose from the deadand was seen by over 500 people.Jesus was seen physically and He ascended, against gravity, up into the clouds of the sky.He will return the same way and His foot shall land on the Mount of Olives, splitting it in two.
I look forward to that day, for He is the bridegroom and He's coming back for His bride, the Church. I will be with Himforever! What about you?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
You will not get any chance to join Jesus. He will land in Middle East & join the righteous people of Middle East. Then he will fight the Anti-Christ (Jews & their alliances) . When the Christian people want to join Jesus, he will reply as below:
Mathew 7:21-23 -“Those who call me “lord, lord”, they cannot enter the paradise
except those who obeys the commandments of Father. They will tell me
“Lord, did not we spell out the spirit on thy name! Did not we do miracles on
Thy name? I will say “I don’t know you, worker of un-righteous people. Go away”.
Jesus will tell you to go away. You must change your present doctrine of Paul & join the righteous people.
At 08:31 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Show me where Matthew and the other disciples rejected Paul.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
You read the whole chapters of Galatians & you will find out that all the disciples of Jesus abandoned Paul at the later stage of his life.
Paul was the staunchest enemy of Jesus. Paul himself confessed it. He said- " I am sure that you have heard the story of my earlier life when I lived in the Jewish way. In those days I went all out in persecuting God's church. I was systematically destroying it" (Galatians 1: 14-15).
Paul's teaching was mostly the opposite of what Jesus taught. There are many & mostly. I will give you only some examples. Please read the following verses from Mathew.
Mathew 10:5-7 “Do not go to Non-Jew and the village of Samaria . Only go to the lost sheep of Israel”.
Mathew 15:24 Jesus said-“I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”.
Mathew 15:26 “It is not good to give the food of Children to dogs.”
Paul was the first person to violate this order of Jesus. He was preaching among the Pagans of Rome & other European cities. But he did not disclose this to the original disciples of Jesus. After 14 years, he took Barnabus with him & went to Jerusalem to get approval of his concept because he was not sure whether he is correct or not. Please read again the verses below.
Galatians 2:1-3 " After 14 years Barnabus& I went to Jerusalem & took Titus with us. I went to clarify with them what had been revealed to me. I told them what I was preaching with non-Jews. I told them in private because I was afraid what I am doing & what I have done may be in vain. Although a non-Jew, my companion Titus was not compelled to circumcise."
Jesus was circumcised at the age of 8 days & it was compulsory for all others. Luke 2:21- "When eighth day arrived, the day of circumcision, the child was named Jesus, the name given by Angels before he was conceived."
Now what happened in Jerusalem? Barnabus& Paul was received in Jerusalem by the leaders & apostles. They sat on a conference to discuss about the proposals of Paul. Some Pharisees were in the opinion of Circumcision & Law of Moses.
" You have to circumcise the Pagan converts & you must make them to keep the Laws of Moses" ( Act 15:5). Now please see below what Jesus said about the Laws & Commandments.
Mathew 5:17-20 “Do not think that I come to destroy the Law and commandments of Moses, but to strengthen them.”
Mathew 18:16-21 People asked-“How to get eternal life in Heaven.” Jesus said- Obey the Commandments of God.”
Mathew 23:2-3 -“Do what you are told to follow the laws of Moses”.
Luke 16:29 - “For salvation, give attention to the books of Moses & Prophets”.
In that Conference Peter was talking in favour of Paul. Finally they decided to follow the following laws only- " Not to associate with activities connected with idols, no adultery, no flesh & blood of a triangulated animal." ( Act 15:20). Paul came back & started preaching against Law of Moses whole heartedly giving all sort of explanation ( Galatians 3:1;25)
Paul said- " Now faith has come & we are no more under the burden of Laws." ( Galatians 3:25).
Now my question is : Can any Disciples or any followers of Jesus do repeal or abrogate any order of Jesus ? Is there any authority for that?
Your last question was, did anybody disagree with Paul? Only Peter &Barnabus was with Paul. But finally both of them left him. Paul continued his struggle alone.
Paul said- “Later, when Peter came to Antioch, I had a face to face confrontation with him because he was clearly out of line. Here's the situation. Earlier, before certain persons had come from James, Peter regularly ate with non-Jews. But, when the conservative group came from Jerusalem, he cautiously pulled back & put as much as distance from non-Jews friend. That’s how fearful he was of the conservative Jews clique that’s been pushing the old system of circumcision. Unfortunately, the rest of the Jews in the Antioch Church joined in that hypocrisy so that even Barnabus was swept along in the charade." ( Galatians 2:11-1?)
Now my friend, have you seen that all Jews disciples of Jesus had left Paul & now it has become a non-Jews Paulian religion which has repealed most of the orders/Instruction/teachings of Jesus.
At 09:01 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Your premise is faulty. First, you have absolutely no idea what Jesus actually taught, becauseyou have not been born again and more down to earth, you don't ever believe what the Bible says!I can't argue with logic like that. You so embrace what you already believe that you can't see that youare actually arguing AGAINST the veracity of the Bible by USING the Bible! That's insane.Based on everything you have told me, you reject the teaching of the following:The book of Matthew, Luke, John, Romans, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Phillipians,Hebrews, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, Revelation. Your assertions about the unreliability of Paul and your claims that He contradicted the teachings of Jesus and the entireOld Testament are simply not true.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
You don't have to born again to know what Jesus taught. It is already there in Old & New Testament. Any Tom & Harry can read it & understand it. Only requirement is you have wisdom & ability to read. If you cannotargue with logic, it shows that you are not in the right track. Truth is light. It automatically radiates itself to mankind & people can see it from a distance.
I have shown Paul's contradiction with Jesus in my last mail. I have quoted from Galatians of Bible. If you claim that it is not true, it will show that you are even not capable of understanding the simple language of Galatians of Bible or you don't want to understand willingly; you have become blind; your heart is over-shadowed by Devil.
At 10:09 AM 9/19/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Read the Bible and pray, ask the Lord God in authority of Jesus you will learn what the Feast of Trumpets is, continueas you are and you'll remain in darkness.I really don't have anything further to teach you.You are so convinced that you are righteous before God and that you are doing exactly what He wants and expects of you that it's useless for us to continue as we have been. You don't seem the least interested in actually learning.I have others who would benefit more from the use of my time.God is merciful. Seek Him and you will learn that He has been seeking you for a very long time.He loves you more than you will ever be able to understand.In truth, either He is Lord and God or you are.All He asks is that you trust Him, that you accept the work He did for you. He will not, indeed, cannot,force you to Love Him. Sure, He can make you fear Him, but that's not what He wants from you.
Micah 6:8: "He has shown thee, O man, what is good and what Jehovah requires of thee. Simply to do justlyand to love MERCY and to walk humbly with the God."
Those who believe that they are made righteous by the keeping (as best as they can) of the commandments of God,have called God a liar, for He says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and are in need of deliverancefrom the law of sin and death.
The law was given through Moses (and no other) , but Grace and Truth come through Jesus Christ.Grace is the act of unmerited favor that God has bestowed on all mankind, that whosoever believes in His Son,should not perish, but have everlasting live (and by inference, those who do NOT believe, SHALL perish.)
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Dear Donald
I don't need to read Bible for my guidance. I have my Qur'an & Hadith for my eternal life. I am reading Bible for you, to show you that how much misguided you are!!! I have, very elaborately shown you that you people are violating Jesus deliberately & following the doctrine of Paul which does not have any support from Jesus & God. Nobody can help you if you remain blind to the TRUTH. Whatever you are talking about Faith, Believe, Grace ,Mercy , Fear & Love of God, everything is there in Islam. It is a very balanced one & optimum in all respect. Your made up doctrine of present Christianity cannot come close to Islam. May Allah guide us all to the real TRUTH.
At 09:11 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Thank you for caring about my destiny.I believe that you once again ignored completely what I wrote, so I'll say it again:Jesus rose from the dead and was witnessed on earth for 30 days by over 500 disciples (men and women)at one time! Why do you ignore what the bible teaches? I DO keep the commandments of God!Tell me, which one do I NOT keep that will keep me out of heaven?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
My dear friend, you are disobeying the First Commandment of God. When Jesus was asked what the only way was to true salvation, he replied: keep the Commandments (Matthew19:17).
The first of the Commandments was to believe in the Oneness of God (Exodus 20:3). Why did Jesus answer so if he believed in and was part of the Trinity? Why did he not refer to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? See some more verses below:
Gen 34: 16-18 Do not worship any other God. Godhis name The-Jealous-One.
Isaiah 44:6 ;Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, theLORD of hosts:;I [am] the First and I [am] the Last; Besides Me [there is] noGod.
Mathew 4:10 -“ Worship the Lord your God, and only him. Serve him with absolute single-heartedness.”
There are many other verses which tell you that you have to believe & worship in ONE GOD. If you believe in Trinity, if you believe Jesus is God or if you associate any partner to God, there is no chance for you to enter heaven. This is the truth & absolute truth & whole truth.
At 10:09 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
So, the basis of my salvation is my own ability to understand God. That is, if I believe that God has revealed Himself in His Word as a Triunebeing, I cannot be saved?So, my salvation is based on me being able to understand correctly?What about little children, or retarded people? Can they be saved?I believe you are being sincere, but you are sincerely wrong.
I NEVER said you need to believe in the trinity to be saved. What you need in order to be saved is to accept the finished work of Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, which He wrought for youby shedding His blood on the cross to pay the price for your sins and by believing that God raised Him from the dead and that He isseated at the right hand of God, ready to judge the living and the dead.
When you TRULY submit to God by accepting that He did this for you, you will be born of God and youwill see the light and the truth will set you free.
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Everybody will be judged on his FAITH& DEEDS.. If your faith is perfect, only then your deeds will be counted. If your faith is corrupted with blasphemy, your other deeds will not be considered at all. Faith or Belief is the pass word to enter the Heaven. There are different levels of Heaven & Hells. Level of Heaven you will receive will depend on what & how strong your Faith & what are your righteous deeds. Do not think that you will get the same level of Heaven with Jesus. Certainly all Prophets will have the Higher Levels in Heaven. It is stated in Hadith that there are 8 levels of Heaven & 7 levels of Hell. Setan or Devil will be thrown into the lowest level of Hell. We have different names for different levels of Hell & Heaven. I am not going to burden you with all these details.
You will be judged only on those items which you have received from God as his mercy & grace. If you have wealth, you will be questioned on wealth; how you have acquired it & spent it. If you are a poor, you don't have to reply for wealth. If you have eyes, you will be asked about the utilisation of it. Did you use it to see blue-film or you have used it to read your Bible. Blind man will not be asked about it. Same question for your wisdom also. Did you use it properly or you have misguided people willingly. A mentally retarded man will not be asked about wisdom. In short, you are responsible for what you havereceived from God. It is so logical &so justified that nobody will have any question on judgment of God. Qur'an says, an atom size of good deeds will be shown and an atom size of bad deed also will be shown. No injustice will be made to anybody. God does not do any injustice to anybody. And on that day of judgment, you have to reply for your deeds & wealth. Even your wife, who has shared your wealth, will not reply for you & take your responsibility.
Judgment will be administered by God Almighty. Nobody can share it. Everybody will be worried for his own judgment.
Your Paulian Doctrine is exposed by your following statement :
"What you need in order to be saved is to accept the finished work of Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, which He wrought for youby shedding His blood on the cross to pay the price for your sins and by believing that God raised Him from the dead and that He isseated at the right hand of God, ready to judge the living and the dead."
1. You have talked about the Finished Work of Jesus. Jesus did not finish his work. He has only introduced himself to this world. He will do his main mission when he comes back 2nd time in this world.
2. Jesus is not the begotten son of God. He called himself as son of man. In fact, all believers are the child of God.
3. Jesus did not pay for you sin. Nobody can pay for other's sin. You are responsible for your sin.
4. Jesus will never judge anybody. He is not capable of doing so. Only the God almighty will do judgment.
All these points stated above have Biblical support. I have quoted many times from Bible to prove these in my previous mails. If you want, I can quote them again. These are the proof that the whole Paulian Doctrine is standing on wrong assumption &they are totally FALSE.
At 10:03 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
It's a funny thing you said there. Here you claim to be Muslim, yet you do not submit to the teaching of God in the Bible. Insteadyou hold to the teachings of ONE MAN in his own lifetime, who wrote the Qua'ran and then writers of the Hadiths.The Bible was written (from God), by over FORTY different authors, on SEVERAL different continents, over TWO THOUSAND yeareriod of Time. It is COMPLETELY different from the Qua'ran, yet you claim that the same God wrote both books!
You're no different from the Mormons who claim that God foretold in the old testament of the coming of their leader (Joseph Smith),who had angels of light appear to him and give him a new book, that he claimed was from God. It wasn't! Same thing as your religion.They believe that yo cannot be saved by Grace through faith alone, either! They believe that salvation is something you have to earn, just like you do! So, are they 'saved' by Islam's standards? I doubt it!
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Qur’an is not written by any man. It is brought directly from Allah by Arc Gabriel & delivered to our Prophet in its original language. Prophet recited it to his companions who havememorized instantly or written on different materials. God promised to protect it in original form till the destruction of this universe. Hadith is compiled by the companions of the Prophet & it contains the activities, sayings, advices, instructions of the Prophet himself. You can compare your present Gospel with Hadith. But Gospel can never be compared with Qur'an. It is far below the standard of Qur'an in respect to everything.
Bible is never written by God. Different people have written it in their own language. They may have taken the inspiration from God; but putting it to their own language & while translating to other languages, it lost its meaning & purity. That is the reason, you find different types of Bible, sometimes giving totally a different meaning depending on the doctrine of those people.. In fact they played with their books so whimsically without fearing God. Qur'an says--" For small benefits of this world, they have changed their Books"
At 09:48 AM 9/20/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Good, long email. I will try to answer you point by point.
First, you are absolutely correct, Saul (who was named Paul later, just as Simon was named Peter by Jesus), did persecute Christians. He hunted them down and had them put in prison and was even consenting to the death of Stephen the first martyr. However, Saul met Jesuswho appeared to him and Saul became born again and he was called by God to go to the Gentiles, so he did. His teachings are not in anyway against the teachings of Jesus. You simply don't actually know what the Bible says, you only repeat what you have heard. You keepsaying that I must keep the commandments of God to be saved. I DO keep the commandments of God! Not because it's going to save me,but because it is now my nature to obey God. I am NOW a child of God. I was once dead in my trespasses and sins and was an enemy ofGod, but now I have been born again of incorruptible seed. His very Word and Spirit abiding in and transforming me into the image of His Own dear Son, Jesus!
Second, your assertion that Jesus said NOT to go to the Gentiles. While it is true that Jesus told the 12 apostles to go only to the Jews, that was only one specific time, it was not a command for all time. It was for a short period of time, while Jesus was still alive on earth. In fact, Jesusspecifically told the disciples to 'GO INTO ALL THE EARTH and make disciples (teaching)....Matthew 28
Mat 28:18 KJV - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Mat 28:19 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mat 28:20 KJV - Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
Also, God foretold about Jesus in Isaiah 49:6, that He would be a LIGHT to the Gentiles: Isa 49:6 KJV - And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
You are simply mistaken that Jesus came only to and for the Jews. You do not know the scriptures.
Now, was for Paul coming up to Jerusalem and about circumcision. You are correct, there indeed were Christian Jews who were saying that people needed to be circumcised to be saved. These people were and still are WRONG. That is a lie from the heart of Satan himself. Circumcision wasgiven to Abraham as a sign of a covenant. The OLD covenant. The NEW covenant is the perfect one. In this covenant, man's HEART is circumcised. That is, remember those wicked things we talked about last time, which come out of the heart? (Lying, killing, stealing, etc.)
Those thing come from the sin nature within the heart of man. Jesus came to give us a NEW HEART. To cut away the old man, the old natureand to give us a new heart which contains the commandments of God, so by nature we begin to do those things which the Law teaches. Whichare this: to love God with ALL of your heart, mind soul and strength and to love your neighbor (fellow man) as yourself. In these two, Jesus taught,are ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
No one can abrogate the teachings of Jesus and Paul certainly did not. You are correct that Peter certainly did 'play the hypocrite' in that he actedone way in eating with Gentiles, but another when the Jews who taught circumcision came around. He was wrong and Paul called him out on that.
You do not find that the apostles left Paul or rejected his teachings. Once again, you are seeing what you want to see and listening to what othershave taught you. SEEK GOD. Stop listening to what man teaches you and ask God, in the name of Jesus, to open your eyes. He will! I'm sorryto be so blunt, but you simply can't see. I understand, because I too was once blind, but now I see.
It's not by understanding, in fact, God's word says this about His law and your understanding:
"Pro 3:1 KJV - My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:Pro 3:2 KJV - For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.Pro 3:3 KJV - Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thineheart:Pro 3:4 KJV - So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.Pro 3:5 KJV - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.Pro 3:6 KJV - In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
He tells you to lean not on your understanding of things nor of God, but to ACKNOWLEDGE HIM (God). Jesus taught that if we ask anything in HIS NAME HE WILL DO IT! That is, acknowledge Him and He will direct your path! He loves you and is alive and real and you can know Him!
Why do you think it odd that I can hear from God? God isn't too small to talk to me! He is a great and awesome God and He is totally able tospeak with each person He ever created, at the same time and have a one on one conversation with each person at the same time, is He not?
RAHMAN KHALILUR
Paul did not meet Jesus. He claimed that he saw Jesus in vision long after the death of Jesus.. Jesus could not correct Paul during his life time; why he should appear to an un-believer to make him 'born again by force? There were many other disciples of Jesus. Why they did not get this opportunity of meeting Jesus again & get his instruction? Do you believe this unrealistic & un-justified action of Jesus that he will select a great non-believer & do him a great favour by forcing him to become born again. Please do not put blame on Jesus for this unbecoming conduct. I do not believe this made up story of Paul at all. Did you notice another point? Paul was afraid to face the real disciples of Jesus at Jerusalem. After 14 years, he came to Jerusalem &seek support from Peter & James. He should have come to Jerusalem on the first instance & receive baptize from one of the authorized disciples of Jesus who were sent by Jesus & allowed to baptize people. All these clearly indicate that Paul was never sent by Jesus. Rather he had formulated his own doctrine based on paganism of Europe & started preaching it in the name of Jesus. That is the reason things like X-mas tree & Trinity are adopted in this doctrine
At 11:28 AM 9/21/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
I will once again show you that the assertions you have made before and are making here again, are NOT biblical.You wrote:
1. You have talked about the Finished Work of Jesus. Jesus did not finish his work. He has only introduced himself to this world. He will do his main mission when he comes back 2nd time in this world.
On the Cross Jesus said the following: Jhn 19:30 KJV - When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Jesus LITERALLY said, "IT IS FINISHED". He was referring to the Work that He came to do, that is, to be the payment for the penalty ofour sin. He then DIED. You assertions that He did not finish His work and that He did not die and that He did not rise from the dead, areall taught in your religion BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE. The Bible CLEARLY teaches all of these things, it is your religion that is wrong and thereforethat rejects the true Jesus and embraces another Jesus altogether.
2. Jesus is not the begotten son of God. He called himself as son of man. In fact, all believers are the child of God.
Once again you reject the literal teaching of the Bible and the ACTUAL THINGS THAT JESUS SAID, and you embrace the false teachingof your leaders. Jesus said that HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD twice in the book of John. Here they are: (Jesus is speaking here, not someone talking about Jesus, this is Jesus speaking):
Jhn 3:16 KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Jhn 3:18 KJV - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.So, once again, the BIBLE CLEARLY teaches that Jesus SAID He was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. You, on the other hand, reject Jesusand believe what your teachers tell you. You will be judged for this if you do not repent.
3. Jesus did not pay for you sin. Nobody can pay for other's sin. You are responsible for your sin.
Jesus CLEARLY taught that He gave His body as food and His blood as drink on the cross. He said that He came 'to give HIs life" for us.Here is that scripture:
Mar 10:45 KJV - For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Don't get hung up here that Jesus called Himself the Son of man. He ALSO called Himself the Son of God, as you saw earlier. So, He was saying that He was BOTH, the Son of God and the Son of man.. How? God was His father and Mary was His mother. He was born of God AND mankind!
But, more to the point, He CLEARLY says here that He came to GIVE HIS LIFE A RANSOM FOR MANY. He PAID for our sins (He was ransomed on the cross). He bought us back to God.
4. Jesus will never judge anybody. He is not capable of doing so. Only the God almighty will do judgment.
And, once again, finally, you totally deny what the clear teaching of the Bible is and Who Jesus said He was and what He was able to do.....Jesus said the following about Himself:
"The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him… And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man." John 5:22-23
This is but one of MANY scriptures showing that Jesus IS the Judge, so ONCE AGAIN, your assertion is completely UN-BIBLICAL and based ONLYon the teachings of your leaders. Repent, for the Kingdom of God is come and He really wants you to be saved!
If you write back to tell me what I've written about is NOT true, then you are completely ignoring the plain and obvious teaching of scriptureand are relying on lies taught to you by others.Jesus said "believe in Me". Why would you believe what someone tells you ABOUT Jesus? Why not believe Him directly?
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Your explanation is highly ridiculous & no man with a little commonsense will accept it. 'It is finished' does not mean that I have finished my work. When Jesus is about to faint on the cross, he thought all is over now; his life is finished; it is finished. In no way it indicates that Jesus did mean his work is finished. You people always make up this type of story & try to feed others with it thinking that others are damn fools. Don't think like that. God has given wisdom to others also & they understand what is wrong & what is right. I again tell you that Jesus will start his real mission when he comes back 2nd time in this earth. He will defeat the Jews & occupy Jerusalem and sit on the Throne of David. He will kill two third of the Jews & establish the kingdom of God. He will become the king of the kings. These are all given in your Bible. Can you deny it?
You are fighting on the words ' Only Begotten Son'. The verses you have quoted in your mail does contain words 'Son of Man' several times. Jesus used to call himself Son of Man. Sometimes he was referred as Son of God like other believers. But he never called him 'the begotten son of God'. Your translation is wrong. In my English Bible, I never found words like begotten son. You people are playing with the Bible.
The judgment you are talking about is the judgment in this world. Jesus can judge a man here who is righteous & who is not. But the FINAL judgment on the Day of Judgment will be made by God Almighty. Jesus does not have any participation there. Jesus has to reply for the people like you who called him God or begotten son of God. For Final Judgment, please read Chapter 20of Revelation.
Rev:20:11-12 I saw a Great White Throne & One sitting on that. All assembled in front of that Throne------Judgment was made as per deeds of the person.
Rev 20:14 Everybody was judged as per his deeds.
So my friend, use your wisdom& find out the real truth from your Bible. Don't be a blind supporter of Paul.
At 11:34 PM 9/22/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Unlike you, I am not explaining to you what I think the bible says, I am simply quoting exactly whatthe Bible says. You practice eisegesis, that is, you read into the text the thing you already believe, so as to make the scripturesfit your preconceived beliefs. When I quote the bible, you simply say 'it's been corrupted' or 'that's not what it says'.
Khalil, you are faced with a true problem. You must accept that the Bible is God's word, or you must reject it.You cannot base your faith in Islam on the Bible. You either reject the Bible, or accept exactly what it says.Today is the day of salvation. The Day of Judgment is the Day of Judgment. TODAY is the day of salvation. Don't stiffenyour neck. Yield to His loving call of forgiveness and you will find rest for your soul.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I tell you again that all true religions are from God & it has two parts : 1. Faith or Believe and 2. Laws or commandments. Faith is same for all religions. Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Mohammad & thousands of other Messengers all over the world taught the same faith and that is to worship One God Almighty. There is no change in it. Laws & Commandments were slightly different from each other depending upon the tribe/race/nations, their geographical locations & time. Laws were different during the time of Noah. It is gradually updated till the time of Moses. Jesus also modified some of them. Final modification of these Laws are made during the time of our Prophet of Islam & now they have become UNIVERSAL for all mankind to follow. You must understand this theology of God.
Now I will quote a verse from Bible. You will tell me, who are the people involved in this verse, when it will be executed, why Jesus will throw them out & any other explanation you have.
Mathew 7:21-23 -“Those who call me “lord, lord”, they cannot enter the paradise except those who obeys the commandments of Father. They will tell me “Lord, did not we spell out the spirit on thy name! Did not we do miracles on Thy name? I will say “I don’t know you, wicked people. Go away”.
I hope you will explain this.
At 08:00 AM 9/25/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
First, the only true God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is also the God of Moses. He is the God revealed in the writings of the Torahand the New Testament. Any religion that does not align itself with the Book of Books (the Bible) is in opposition to God and are leading peopletoward destruction, not life.
Second, you are asking me what Jesus meant in Matthew 7: 21-23, however, I cannot answer you becauseyou already have rejected all of the Bible's teachings, including this one by saying that the Bible is corrupted, therefore, untrue.You cannot have it both ways. Either the Bible is true and good, or it's not.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
I know why you cannot answer this question, because this verse has disclosed the status of those persons who claim that they do all types of miracles in the name of Jesus. In this present world, only the Christian people do spell out spirits in the name of Jesus; they do heal people in the name of Jesus; they do many other miracles in the name of Jesus. Jesus said, they cannot enter Paradise if they do not follow commandments. Now you find out your own status. Almost 100% Christian people does not follow the Commandments. Certainly, they will be thrown out by Jesus & they cannot enter Heaven. My friend , use your wisdom & ponder, where is your position ? In hell or Heaven?
Mathew 7:21-23 -“Those who call me “lord, lord”, they can not enter the paradiseexcept those who obeys the commandments of Father. They will tell me “Lord, did not we spell out the spirit on thy name! Did not we do miracles on Thy name? I will say “I don’t know you, wicked people. Go away”.
I want to add some more with it. You are correct that the true God is the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob & David. We also have the same God. The definition & description of God given in Torah & Old Testament is exactly same given in Qur'an. There is no difference at all. But the Paulian God differs with the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob & Jesus. You have made three Gods & associated partners to One Almighty God. Certainly it is the deviation from the God of Abraham & Moses.
At 01:26 AM 9/28/2012, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Khalilur,
Once again, it no use to talk with you, as you are intellectually dishonest.You use the bible to prove your points, but deny it's authenticity, therefore, You are able to believe whatever suits your predetermined world view, whileRejecting the clear teachings of the bible. Repent and believe and you will be saved.
KHALILUR RAHMAN
Thanks for your letter after a week. I thought you have again stopped communicating. You said I am using Bible to prove my points. Surely I am using Bible to prove my points. Do you want I should use my Qur'an? It will be easier for me. But I do not use Qur'an because you do not have any knowledge of Qur'an. Bible is your subject & it is your scripture. You must agree that I have already proved beyond any doubt that there are lot of materials in Bible to prove my points. If you deny them, you are denying Bible & disobeying Jesus. In some matters you are very openly disobeying Jesus.
You are correct that the true God is the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob & David. We also have the same God. The definition & description of God given in Torah & Old Testament is exactly same given in Qur'an. There is no difference at all. But the Paulian God differs with the God of Abraham, Moses , Jacob & Jesus. You have made three Gods & associated partners to One Almighty God. Certainly it is the deviation from the God of Abraham & Moses.
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